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    Unhappy Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    I can't believe it. I have suffered the much feared and dreaded CVT Auto transmission start clutch failure that I thought I had avoided with full Honda servicing...

    2003 Honda Fit

    A shade under 50,000km on the clock

    Surely this has to be considered a premature failure rather than standard "wear and tear"?

    I have been told that Honda NZ had an extended service arrangement for Jazz models in this era which would have covered the replacement of the start clutch (I've been quoted around $2000 for the repair).

    However this is an import of course, and Honda NZ apparently won't stand behind their brand because it was imported.

    Any idea who I might talk to at Honda NZ for some help here? This is a massive bill and a huge blow to our brand loyalty and belief in Honda. We love our Hondas to bits and this is a pretty hard pill to swallow.

    Any experiences in dealing with this kind of issue (where a well documented problem has struck your imported vehicle) would be much appreciated. Via PM if you'd prefer is ok too.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    have you tryed to change the cvt oil as its meant to be changed reguarly. thats a common issuse with the shudders
    Like they say: Blowers are for bitches, Bottles for babies, and N/A all the way

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Thanks for the reply, and for checking that.

    The oil has now been flushed/replaced with no improvement, hence the diagnosis that this is a major problem.

    I've always had the car serviced at Honda and not turned down any "recommended" work. I'm not sure why but it seems that the oil may never have been flagged to be changed even though it probably should have been by now (50,000km)??

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Does it affect the driving/performance?

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by NINPO View Post
    Does it affect the driving/performance?
    Annoying on the flat. Like an earthquake if taking off uphill.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    iv spoken to my local honda dealer and he said hes got few nz new cvt thats been replaced from warranty and there not that bad in shudder. he could sell it to me for $800
    Like they say: Blowers are for bitches, Bottles for babies, and N/A all the way

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Why would I put a replaced one in? Isn't that just asking for it??

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Well what else are you going to do? Bar getting the CVT box rebuilt.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Ok I may be misunderstanding - for $2000 from the dealer am I not getting a brand new part?? If so then why would I get a $800 part that has problems (albiet fewer issues) and then still pay 6-8 hours labour on top?

    Wouldn't the cheaper $800 replacement just be destined to fail?? Or is the new one going to fail as well? Are the transmissions in the Jazz just that crap??

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad View Post
    If so then why would I get a $800 part that has problems (albiet fewer issues) and then still pay 6-8 hours labour on top?
    Because replacing the box will be a cheaper option.

    Replacing the start clutch requires the entire CVT box to be disassembled. Hence the $2000 price tag.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    you have to remember there not bullet proof. for $2000 its not brand new. it just rebuilt most scenarios. but in sayin that they may give u a warranty when there rebuilt it. im only here to give u options in help and advice . if your clever dont bite the helper.
    Like they say: Blowers are for bitches, Bottles for babies, and N/A all the way

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by LS/VTEC View Post
    you have to remember there not bullet proof. for $2000 its not brand new. it just rebuilt most scenarios. but in sayin that they may give u a warranty when there rebuilt it. im only here to give u options in help and advice . if your clever dont bite the helper.
    Sorry I wasn't biting. As someone who doesn't know a thing about cars, it seemed totally illogical to replace this with something that had a known (but apparently less pronounced) problem. Surely it would just get worse over time?

    Could someone tell me what the expected lifespan of the following are?

    1. A typical automatic transmission

    2. A Honda Fit/Jazz "new" $2000 auto transmission

    3. An $800 replacement auto transmission

    LS/VTEC are you saying that the $800 vs. $2000 won't necessarily give me any longer in terms of life/reliability?

    I'm starting to wonder if these Jazzes are pieces of crap! I love mine to bits though. I'm torn

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    $2000 may give you the same life as your current one or more. the $800 trans was told to me (minor next to nothing). they may last for ever and wont get worst. its just luck i guess. a typical trans can last upto 250,000 if its been serviced correctly from day one. $2000 may last longer in long run, but how long are u planning to keep the car is another story.
    Like they say: Blowers are for bitches, Bottles for babies, and N/A all the way

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Thanks for the reply. I should have made it clear that the intention is to keep the vehicle for a very long time if that is possible. I can see how that comes into play in this decision.

    You say that $2000 might get me the same as I got with this one. 50,000km?

    That's rubbish if you are saying that the typical auto transmission goes for 200,000km +

    What's up with these models??

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    typical trans have filters and different clutch packs in them so its not rubbish to see a typical trans do 200,000km + .have you been working in this trade before and seen what cars can do i think you need to do research and change the attitude. iv posted enough to help you
    Like they say: Blowers are for bitches, Bottles for babies, and N/A all the way

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad View Post
    Could someone tell me what the expected lifespan of the following are?

    1. A typical automatic transmission

    2. A Honda Fit/Jazz "new" $2000 auto transmission

    3. An $800 replacement auto transmission
    Some last. Some don't. Depends on alot. Service intervals, how it's been used, quality of lubricants/parts etc etc etc.

    I guess one option could be to go to a transmission specialist(s) in your area and get a quote.
    Replace your current box with another one, or get your current one rebuilt are pretty much your only options.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Ok to answer your question and hopefully solve your problem at hand.

    1/ Have Honda Done a CVT Fluid Flush and a Trans Relearn ??

    2/ With you spending $2000 on a brand new gearbox thats is dirt cheap!!! They Normally cost ~$7-8000 each

    3/ To prolong your gearbox life this is a personal recommendation replace CVT fluid every 20,000K's

    4/ If $2000 is a steep option, I would take LS/VTEC $800 2nd hand warranty gearbox and hope for the best. I have replaced a handful, some of them before replacement just need decent workout and they do come right at times

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    PM me your rego number. I will look up the service history.

    Brand new CVT boxes retail at 7-8k.

    $2k will be a removal of the CVT and replacement of the start clutch unit.

    Because you have a fit, Honda NZ can not stand up for other markets. For the extra 1-2k for a Jazz, you are always gonna be better off.

    Doing the CVT flush is not always gonna fix all your problems. They usually occur after 35,000km. The new CVT replacement schedule for more frequent than before.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Sorry to hijack your thread but my lady friend is considering getting a CVT 1.5L Jazz. After reading these, I'm unsure about it now >_<

    Should we be going for NZ new Jazz ?

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Yes.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    after lots of resurch and talking to ppl with cvt gearbox cuz my sis wants a jazz as well ive come to a conclusion that cvts are the worse gearbox, they sound good in theory and givess u great fuel economi but in real life because of the cone shape gearing and belt driven it is not reliable and die eairly. best is to go for 4 speed auto. cvts are still quite new so wait afew more years untill cvts are further developed then they might be better then.
    i would recomand buying the $800 cvt trans and sell the car.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    Correction: Nissan have the worse CVT. Honda have the best. Also, Honda cover you in case of failure.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    hahah yeh dats true nissan has da worse cvt, nissan cars was the 1st to have cvt in them .toyota n honda has the best but they still break down subaru once arnt too bad auctily.n yeh only wen u buy them nz new but most of da cars here are import.
    if u still want to buy cvt go a head its just my opinion and what ive found ot

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    So what is the latest with this? According to the original service manual for your car. CVT replacement is recommended every 80,000km or 6 years.

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    Re: Honda Fit / Jazz CVT Automatic Transmission Problems

    CVT = Continuesing vibrating transmission.
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