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    Parking Infringements

    Earlier today, I found a ticket on my car for $40, claming that I had parked over a fire hydrant. Aghast at this fine, I went to check in the road code and found that a fire hydrant is signified by a large yellow circle with "FH" written in the centre. Upon investigation under my car, all I found was a yellow piece of metal, denoted "SWANSON". Aware that I was in Kelburn, Wellington (not sure why they need fire hydrants, all the houses in kelburn are damp), and not Swanson, and that there was nothing to say "FH" or Fire hydrant, I felt obliged to ring the Wellington City Council, where I was spoken to rudely by a woman(as opposed to a lady). She told me that I would have to write a letter to contest it, but said that I would more than likely not get off, because, although the space I parked was, in fact, a clearly marked 'carpark', the Wellington City Council could place 'restrictions inside restrictions'. Disillusioned with her local government socialist rant, I hung up, and felt compelled to write this letter, outlining the facts:


    To whom it may concern,


    Today, at 11.13am, my Toyota Corolla (registration ******) was ticketed on Glasgow Street, Kelburn, Wellington, with the reason given that it was parked with 500mm of a fire hydrant. On inspection under the vehicle, I saw that there was indeed a metal cover painted yellow, with nothing but the word "SWANSON" on its face, and on the road, a yellow triangle (albeit, rather faded). The issue I must take up, however, is that according to the Official New Zealand Road code, 2006 edition, a Fire Hydrant is signified by a circular marking, with the letters "FH" in the middle. This was not how the fire hydrant in question was marked, and it would require specialist knowledge to work out what exactly was under the metal cover. Indeed, I am not a specialist in fire hydrants, merely a motorist. For this reason, I am challenging the infringement notice and $40.00 fine, as I believe it is highly unfair on the part of the Wellington City Council to assume that motorists can work out what a Fire Hydrant looks like, without correct sign work as per the Road Code.


    For your benefit, I have included a photocopy of what the road code states as correct signage for a Fire Hydrant. I have confidence that you will see fit the unfair nature of such an infringement notice, and hope that higher authority in the Wellington city council decides to provide better markings. Much as I hate the fiscal inconvenience of a fine, I would more hate to have inadvertently parked over a poorly marked fire hydrant, and caused an inconvenience to the Fire Service, and the potentially worse consequences of such an action. I am confident that the Wellington City Council would not like the onus of such a situation put on them also for their undeniable part in such wrongdoing.


    I thank you for your time, and sincerely hope that your road- marking issues can be resolved, as well as the judgment of your Parking Officers. Feel free to pass onto them the excerpt from the 2006 Road Code that I have included.


    Sincerely,

    W R Hainsworth

    So, who thinks I'm in the wrong? And any ideas? I don't wish to make a financial contribution to a council who will spend it on making Wellington City even less motorist friendly, so any thoughts are welcomed!
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    depends i dont think the city conucils go round and update the fire hydrants paint that often, nor the markings.

    could go either way i guess
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Fire hydrants haven't been marked like that for years... check your road code is up to date... if it is, you might have grounds to get off... if your road code is old, and the new road code has been changed since, you've no show.

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    I have a 2006 road code, and rang the LTSA to confirm that this is still the rule, they were in agreement with me. I'm going up to Kelburn this evening to take a photo of the area, to send as proof.
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    the council probably has gottn around to changing the markings on the road
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horny_Devil
    the council probably has gottn around to changing the markings on the road

    More than likely, but at what point did that become my bank account's responsibility?!
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    since u parked on it, if in doubt dont park there
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Just think they are trying to get out money and also think they are the law as well in Auckland. :evil:
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    It was a marked carpark though right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horny_Devil
    since u parked on it, if in doubt dont park there
    I would have been in doubt if it was not marked as a carpark (this is a busy road outside Victoria University, with marked roadside parallel parks- somehow the council saw it fit to place a park over a fire hydrant- don't tell me you'd double check on a marked carpark!.) Since there was very little to properly signify that it was in fact a fire hydrant, I don't see how it can be an offence. Surely, common sense would place yellow lines around a fire hydrant on a busy street?
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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    I felt obliged to ring the Wellington City Council, where I was spoken to rudely by a woman(as opposed to a lady). She told me that I would have to write a letter to contest it
    What was the womans name? Lisa by any chance? I've had torrid times trying to get residents permits off WCC parking & infringement. They have instigated arguments on the phone and have been very rude :thumbsdown:


    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    Much as I hate the fiscal inconvenience of a fine, I would more hate to have inadvertently parked over a poorly marked fire hydrant
    lol complicated words followed by great england, "more hate" :wink:
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    i totally agree with youCRX_VTiR

    +1 for govt's stupidity fundraising. why dont they have a sausage sizzle instead
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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by the_chad
    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    I felt obliged to ring the Wellington City Council, where I was spoken to rudely by a woman(as opposed to a lady). She told me that I would have to write a letter to contest it
    What was the womans name? Lisa by any chance? I've had torrid times trying to get residents permits off WCC parking & infringement. They have instigated arguments on the phone and have been very rude :thumbsdown:


    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    Much as I hate the fiscal inconvenience of a fine, I would more hate to have inadvertently parked over a poorly marked fire hydrant
    lol complicated words followed by great england, "more hate" :wink:
    She was a Lisa actually! And like I said, she was a woman, rather than a lady! I have seen you car parked up the road, always feel sorry for people who have to deal with parking permits etc. I feel your burn!

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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    She was a Lisa actually! And like I said, she was a woman, rather than a lady! I have seen you car parked up the road, always feel sorry for people who have to deal with parking permits etc. I feel your burn!

    Who knew that my English papers at uni would come in handy!
    Yep shes a dragon aye! And unfortunately, somehow she is the manager there. After the rudest phone call I've ever had I wrote an angry letter in and FINALLY got my permit. Dad knew her superiors too at the council hahaha, doesn't sound like she's learnt any customer service skills yet.

    Good luck in getting off it, you probably will I think
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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by the_chad
    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    She was a Lisa actually! And like I said, she was a woman, rather than a lady! I have seen you car parked up the road, always feel sorry for people who have to deal with parking permits etc. I feel your burn!

    Who knew that my English papers at uni would come in handy!
    Yep shes a dragon aye! And unfortunately, somehow she is the manager there. After the rudest phone call I've ever had I wrote an angry letter in and FINALLY got my permit. Dad knew her superiors too at the council hahaha, doesn't sound like she's learnt any customer service skills yet.

    Good luck in getting off it, you probably will I think
    I might send her a bunch of flowers that cost exactly $40 to prove that it's not the money, it's the principle- and write that on the card. Poetic justice is always sweet.
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    Haha, good on ya mate. I hope you get off. Although instead of wasting your $40 on flowers for an old mole, waste it on a 12-pack to celebrate your victory

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    I have a 2006 road code, and rang the LTSA to confirm that this is still the rule, they were in agreement with me. I'm going up to Kelburn this evening to take a photo of the area, to send as proof.
    :thumbsup: good work, fight it, I know I would.

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    sounds like bolloxs to me...good luck on that one will be interested to hear the outcome.
    on a similar note when i lived in hamilton i had a dirty old deregd rwd mazda 626 parked on my front lawn, one weekend when mowing the lawns the 626 was moved to the grass verge out the front of the house....after mowing the front lawn i proceeded to do the back lawn.
    about an hour later when i had washed the lawnmower etc i went out the front with my flatmate to push the car back onto the front lawn only to find a ticket for parking on an 'ornamental verge' only $40 but the principal here.......then two weeks later received two further tickets for no wof/reg !!!!!! so all up $440 in fines for mowing my lawns........
    so yea i understand how you feel brother.....oh yea i didnt get off the tickets either :cry:

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    Quote Originally Posted by badcf4
    .......then two weeks later received two further tickets for no wof/reg !!!!!! so all up $440 in fines for mowing my lawns........
    so yea i understand how you feel brother.....oh yea i didnt get off the tickets either :cry:
    I think I must have been quite lucky then... My Prelude wreck was parked without plates and with an expired registration tag for over a month on the road outside my house. If the insurance company refuse to remove it until all their paperwork is in order, and you have nowhere off-street to put it, what can you do?
    Nuff said.

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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by the_chad
    What was the womans name? Lisa by any chance? I've had torrid times trying to get residents permits off WCC parking & infringement. They have instigated arguments on the phone and have been very rude :thumbsdown:
    bahaha, I've had problems with Lisa from WCC Parking too when attempting to transfer a permit which I no longer require
    I can somewhat understand why they're rather terse and uncompromising (and at times just silly), they must have to put up with a lot of crap, but it's rather unprofessional
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    What gets me is that people who have no option or have made an innocent mistake are getting done by councils, while the real offenders get let off- someone has left a car outside my Aunty's house in a quiet Central Wellington right of way for weeks, no wof or rego, illegally parked on one of the narrowest streets in the country- and no matter how many calls to the council, not a single ticket has been placed on the car, let alone the council removing the car. It seems they would rather target 'cash cow' areas like outside universities, than actually help out ratepayers. Of course, if the Wellington City Council had it's way, we'd all be on pushbikes!
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    Re: Parking Infringements

    Quote Originally Posted by CRX_VTiR
    according to the Official New Zealand Road code, 2006 edition, a Fire Hydrant is signified by a circular marking, with the letters "FH" in the middle.
    You might also find that the "Official New Zealand Road Code" book actually has no legal standing, as far as I'm aware.

    Despite it being published by the LTSA and basically being the bible as far as learning the road rules for your license goes, I vaguely recall reading that relying on what's printed in it is no legal defence at all. Apparently it's our responsibility to read/know the actual law, which can differ from the Road Code book.

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    I think I must have been quite lucky then... My Prelude wreck was parked without plates and with an expired registration tag for over a month on the road outside my house. If the insurance company refuse to remove it until all their paperwork is in order, and you have nowhere off-street to put it, what can you do?
    yea i was unfortunate enough to have neighbours that didnt like our rowdy cars etc etc......so first opp they had they were on the blower to the council......in that case i didnt reallyu blame the council...more the neighbour......it sux that there seems to be no way out once the tickets are issued however legitamate the exuse..... :cry:

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