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    H2B Sump design

    Hi there,

    Looking into the near future to get a sump custom fabricated. Reason behind it is that Kaizenspeed stopped production on their sumps, and it would be the cherry on the cake to not replace my sump ever couple months....

    Has anybody has any experience with this? Any design considerations I should investigate before I start?

    The plan is to pretty much get a cnc plate made of the bottom of the sump, then mock up the rest with cardboard based on space requirements and other designs from the current sump + baffle plate etc and space for extra oil. From there get the final measurements and get it made up by an engineer.

    Please give me feedback, first time I'm doing this...
    Last edited by SiRge; 26th April 2011 at 03:45 PM.
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    Re: Sump design

    might want to put up what motor and chassis combo so people can give you a better indication and ideas
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Re: Sump design

    For H/F series, H2B setup.

    But you already knew that
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    Re: Sump design

    yea i did but others may not
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Re: Sump design

    Did not know that,
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    Re: Sump design

    I knew . Would be easy with the cardboard mock-up if you know your intended internal volume dimensions, especially cos the factory one is going to be on the mean piss angle.

    Is bigger volumetric sizing better? Or are you better to keep the factory sized capacity? Would a heatsink on the bottom help cool oil temp or is a waste of time?
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    Re: Sump design

    I cant see any need to retain the original volume however a baffle should be mandatory...as long as you have oil pressure volume would be irrelevant no ??

    *edit* actually for better wording..... the amount of oil between full and empty on the dipstick is one litre-ish so you could easily get away with removing that much volume in theory.

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    Re: Sump design

    Yeah sure, baffling would be one of the prerequisites of a new sump.
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    Re: Sump design

    I'd actually prefer to run more oil, there's no point in risking oil starvation becasue of wanting to save some space. Looking at what Built4Speed did on his evo2 was quite a good idea... Found a pic

    ---------- Post added at 04:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:56 PM ----------

    Obviously it would look a little more fancy becasue it would be from scratch...

    But I would try build one from a pre-existing sump to start with, would make life lots more easy...
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    Re: Sump design



    So something like this? Just sketched this up.
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    Re: Sump design

    fair enough...tho one still doubts the likelyhood of starvation unless you roll the car

    thats what the baffle is for...in any sense I am looking at doing this also (wishes hadnt just throwen away spare sump ) and I was just planning to work out the volume of the drop in the sump...shorten it xxx amount so oil volume loss was only around 500mls (more if that wasnt short enough) and then just baffle/shorten pickup and away I go.

    Having said that my car wont ever see the track so its kinda meh

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    Re: Sump design

    Chris, thats what the current H22 sump looks like, need to make one that is flat with teh engine as much as possible. Engine leans forward in H2B, unlike backwards in normal h22 setup. Somelike like 50 degrees of difference?
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    Re: Sump design

    But then won't the bottom edge sit real low? Wouldn't having it parallel with the road give you more clearance.

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    Re: Sump design

    Did you not like kaizenspeed sump?

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    Re: Sump design

    They don't sell it anymore, read the first post. I think Geoff wants something similar made up.
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    Re: Sump design

    Quote Originally Posted by Gudgen View Post
    Did you not like kaizenspeed sump?
    Reason behind it is that Kaizenspeed stopped production on their sumps,
    Quote Originally Posted by permaisuri View Post
    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiRge View Post
    Hi there,

    Looking into the near future to get a sump custom fabricated. Reason behind it is that Kaizenspeed stopped production on their sumps, and it would be the cherry on the cake to not replace my sump ever couple months....
    Read from the middle of the thread, did ya?

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    Re: Sump design

    think its more like this is the problem



    or to that effect

    not quite accurate
    Quote Originally Posted by permaisuri View Post
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    Re: Sump design

    All you had to do in your mind is mirror the picture lol. You guys have no imagination
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    Re: Sump design

    Put the sump on around the other way. Problem solved.

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    Re: Sump design

    Quote Originally Posted by 4AGE View Post
    Put the sump on around the other way. Problem solved.
    right, and where is the oil pickup suppose to go?


    you need to make sure that the oil pickup will always be in oil, so needs to be at the lowest point in the pan, also you could make the pan slope slightly towards where the pickup is to help oil drain back to the pickup. You could add a baffle into the pickup area. id make it no more than 5L due to having to do an oil change and oil coming in 4-5L packs.

    need to take into account where the exhaust runs and if anything else will get in the way not to mention ground clearance.


    There is a Moroso one for a H22a motor
    http://www.moroso.com/catalog/catego...?catcode=10912
    Quote Originally Posted by permaisuri View Post
    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Re: Sump design

    I don't think I got my question answered.

    Buy Aluminum aftermarket sump, get some one to modify it. Result.

    Or hack the stock on up?

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    Re: Sump design

    I'm guessing he couldn't get enough people to do a group buy. And without the discount its not economically rational to purchase. Not all of us are as balla as you, and have cash to chuck around.

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    Re: Sump design

    I did give another option.

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