Thread: noise issues at Puke

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huuuuhh.... sounds like they going to apply speed limit there too!!! sounds ridiculous to me. We are trying to promote safer race on the proper track than on the streets, but seems like they go out of hands!!

I have been following this issue very closely, as it not only effects the track, but a lot of area immediately surrounding it including the Pukekohe Car Club Clubrooms.

This all comes back to a council proposal called Change 32 - ( I have the official title and proposal number in a folder with my club stuff). Long Story short - this change effectively puts a protections blanket over the entire Pukekohe Park Raceway, surrounding Trotting Training facilities and the Pukekohe A&P Showgrounds (Across the road parallel to the back straight.)
This is an area used by almost the entire population of Pukekohe at one point - If you hate cars, you normally like something else the adjacent area has to offer, so on paper the proposal looks fantastic to most. It effectively secures these areas and allows for financial upgrades over the years to allow them to cater for future public activities. (High caliber camping facilities in the A&P Grounds for example).
As with everything in life - nothing is ever simple, and then this proposal was released for review, a very select few saw this as a Bull views a red rag, and all hell broke loose!. Their opposition, well basically that no one uses this land, its an eye sore, and it should be rezones as residential.
A couple of the names listed on the link in the first post are the driving force, but there are a few more, and unfortunately due to dirty tactics they are gathering support. When the change proposal was first released, they waited until a weekend of a drifting meeting, and on the day did a mass mail drop to surrounding residents pointing out the noise, and how easy it was to get it stopped if they supported them. A week or two later, they did the same thing when the NZ V8's were at the track - dirty play in my book!
What really annoys me, I have it on good authority that 2 of the 3 primary organisors of this movement to stop this protection, actually live on land surrounding the areas involved, and are only driving this for financial gain, as they will make a small fortune subdividing once the neighboring land is rezoned.
At this point in time, the Planned change is on hold. There was meant to be a meeting on this about now, but due to the support these pricks have gathered, they have forced the council to review common complaints raised within the opposition to protecting this land, a key one being the noise.
Having submitted support for the proposed change, i receive regular updated on where the proposal stands. I got one last week informing the meeting for public discussions had been postponed until next year, as further investigation into sound complaints needs to take place. I can scan a copy and post it up if people would like to view.
It is VITAL that we all take this seriously - it is VITAL we adhere to the limitations and ensure we protect our playground for generations to come! Gone are the days we can have a chuckle about little Jimmies exhaust and how it can't be legal! - These guys are powerful, and are gaining the momentum to ensure the scraping of this proposed protection change and we just can't let that happen!

Tell us where to complete the forms and we'll do our best to help!

and look what I found in the minutes from the council meeting ...................... I wonder where these people live ??
Mr Kevin Vickers (Planner), Ms M Plowman, Ms P Astin and Ms D Chrystall all addressedthe Board concerning the above matter. The following issues were raised:

Too easy
Ms Plowman lives near Castrol

Ms Chrystall in Logan Road


I could tell you how long they've owned their properties quite easily too.

Now my question is, am I going to pay my $200 odd dollars for next round of Honda Cup and get a smacked hand and told not to race cos my car is loud?

I used to live just down the road from the track in Buckland and used to drive past it every day.

The noise was never a problem, you could only hear a slight bit of noise during the VERY big race meetings like the V8 Super cars etc. We'd even hear noise from the Motocross track far more! The biggest noise in the area is actually the rail way track which runs right past the track but guess what? You live by the rail way line so thats what you simply have to expect when you move in.

Bucklands main issue was the chicken farm which used to smell really bad at times but that has since closed down.

Haters gone hate as usual...

Originally Posted by kiwi pauly

I have it on good authority that 2 of the 3 primary organisors of this movement to stop this protection, actually live on land surrounding the areas involved, and are only driving this for financial gain, as they will make a small fortune subdividing once the neighboring land is rezoned.<br>

This is the driving force in a nut shell! - my brother owns a 12 acre life style block on Logan road, he's obviously keen for it to be re-zoned to residential - 12 acres worth of sections would be a gold mine, but hasn't brought into this campaign.

Money is the root of all evil!

cheers
BT

The initial submission period has not closed, but they will be having another , I suspect just after the postponed meeting. I did a mass call to arms across as many clubs as I could the first time, I shall ensure i spread the word to you guys as well this time. The more positive support for securing this proposal the better!.

Unfortunately BT I have lost freinds on this as well. One of long time School friends family live on the hill above the A&P Showgrounds. Since this started we no longer talk, as her father is heavily in support of stopping this change and turning it to residential. Annoying thing Is, I can remember many an occasion hanging out at their place on a Sunday, and discussions about hearing the track were never a problem for him, did not mind at all. The same guy also had free grazing provided on the A&P land in the past, with little or no fee, and he never once complained about the land then either!.

Thing I cannot understand is the railway, as previously mentioned, and also the new roading about to take place in the same area. Who in their right mind would build high class housing on the main trunk line, and for those that don't know, there is a new bypass that has already begun that will bring the main traffic from Bombay directly to Manukau Road, just down from the track where the new Supermarket it, so thats going to bring constant noise, not just a couple of echos on a Sunday like it is now!.
I cannot stress enough how serious this is, and again, i beg everyone to take into consideration the potential outcome of knowingly turning up ouotside the noise limit and giving a give FU to the authorities on this. For once they are currently on our side - They WANT to protect this land for ever - once this passes, its secure, but if these other wankers outweigh the support, or prove the petty basis they justify opposing this change, then we are all screwed! They are currently there talking measurem,ents to prove these clowns wrong - and they will be for almost every track day and event from now till the new year, but they are there for the good interests of those out on the track.
I know Hampton is a good track, and only 1/2 down the road, but Pukekohe Park raceway is an important part of New Zealand motorsport, and must be protected. The A & P Showgrounds celebrate their 150 year of being an Association either this year or next, it is a vital part of the areas history and caters to not only the Ag sector, but also many areas of sport and recretation. It was also the site of my sisters Funeral, so it is a very special place for me personally and I will fight for it just as strong as those money hungry fucktards combined, unfortunately no one can do this alone tho, united we must stand!

What gets me is how many of those people have bought houses there after the track was built.

If you bought a house there knowing there was a race track near by you shouldnt have a leg to stand on.

There goes the idea for a 3" exhaust. No way i'll be able to get that under 95db at full noise....

Have had the same problems at Ruapuna with neighbours, and funnily enough also with people who have lived there for some time... but, all of a sudden have an issue with the noise. The council don't have a hesitation in giving out permits to run events past 7pm, but you can guarantee every time you do someone will still have a whinge. It would be a different story if they had built a track there and not consulted the neigbours first.

In regards to noise: the enforced limit is 95db at the edge of the property. Generally, that will be about 104db on the main straight if observing from the pit-wall. At SIMM this year a friends Evo running a 4" straight pipe measured 104.5, and it was bloody loud, much like a DC2R running a straight through with N1 at SIMM last year - so there is a fair bit of tolerance. It's not a case of "well boys, better put your factory systems back on".

Originally Posted by Green Machine

What gets me is how many of those people have bought houses there after the track was built.

If you bought a house there knowing there was a race track near by you shouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Real Estate agents are to blame because all they want to make the sale so will say things like "rumor has it the track is being closed" or "the council is going to re-zone this" to secure the sale!

By the time the new owner finds out this is not the case its too late & they've already signed on the dotted line, so then they go in mode of doing what they have to to protect their interests.

Again, money is the root!

Originally Posted by Brent

There goes the idea for a 3" exhaust. No way i'll be able to get that under 95db at full noise....

3" would make your car slower anyway Brent!

My K series is on the same exhaust as my B series (2.5") and makes really good power for a std one.

Originally Posted by K20a EG Civic

3" would make your car slower anyway Brent!

My K series is on the same exhaust as my B series (2.5") and makes really good power for a std one.

Haha I was willing to give it go since a lot of people in the states are having good results on near stock b series.

You should definitely have a 3" system

Biggest isn't always best Brent
- the tuner was very happy with mine considering, it was the second best he'd seen/done and only by 2 hp down on the best (and that could have been in the atmosphere).

Brent knows best

(but which one? - mind fuck).

Out of curiosity, I just rang my certer and had a quick go.

Using LVVTA equipment, 15m at 90 degrees from my car facing the ass to a paddock.

RSR headers -> 2.5 -> 1 reso -> canon

At exhaust: 118dB
From side: 109db

RSR headers -> 2.5 -> 1 reso -> twin loop

At exhaust: 98dB
From side: 94dB



Good luck to anyone with a side exit

This is the sort of stuff we need to rally against to fight.

Too many people have "RIGHTS" these days.... the RIGHT to complain against Pukekohe and noise. Nobody ever talks about the inherent RESPONSIBILITIES that come with these rights. IMHO if you buy a property close by to a known noise source (such as a railway, port, airport, motorway, sports stadium, concert venue etc.) then there is a RESPONSIBILITY on your part to do your homework first and to decide if you want to live there or not.

Fair call if Pukekohe was a new track, they'd have a leg to stand on... but Puke is an institution, there for many decades.

At least Hampton Downs has had the right idea. They at least control all the land surrounding the track and I'm guessing that tenants of these properties have caveats in their leases forbidding them any right of complaint against normal circuit activities.

We`ll just have to wait and see then. I`ve added a small coby type muffler to mine (still side exit) It`s definately a bit quieter.

NZ fun police at work again...fuck sake.

Originally Posted by Snapfrozen

Out of curiosity, I just rang my certer and had a quick go.

Using LVVTA equipment, 15m at 90 degrees from my car facing the ass to a paddock.

RSR headers -> 2.5 -> 1 reso -> canon

At exhaust: 118dB
From side: 109db

RSR headers -> 2.5 -> 1 reso -> twin loop

At exhaust: 98dB
From side: 94dB



Good luck to anyone with a side exit

Like I said, the rule is and has been for a long time: 95dB at the property border. Cars I have seen kicked off the track, and kicked off myself, have all been admittedly far too loud (like, enough to make you block your ears).

If for some reason they are changing that to 95dB at the exhaust tip/car side, then that is absurd.

If they are going to kick up a stick, you'd think they'd be hitting up drag racers before circuit racers... doorslammers and the likes.

Originally Posted by Snapfrozen

Out of curiosity, I just rang my certer and had a quick go...
Good luck to anyone with a side exit

Those figures were at 4500rpm Jarred?

The problem with the boundary rule is that the back straight is right on the boundary with cars at max RPM and echoing off the walls etc.

Apparently the iphone db meter app thing is actually reasonably accurate. Could be a good indication of things.

Where is brenth49 when you need him? He's got an iphone you know .