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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    yup going any stiffer for a street part time track car, you gonna start comprimising road driveability.
    nek minute youl be complaining about its to bouncy on the road, i had softer springs then that in the eg
    turn the damper up to full hard on the track, fit sway bars, new bushes and be done with it.

    there cant be to much flex, my car only used to have a half cage, you could only feel a slight twist when say driving up the approch to my driveway and then it would be up on three wheels. youl just have to find a comprimise bettween track and road you cant have the best of both worlds.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    You actually dont want to be going full hard or full soft. Better to have proper weight springs to get the stiffness you need and then adjust the damper (but not full hard or soft)
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    I actually ended up running my car more soft than hard. It all comes down to what you have in it and how you drive
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent View Post
    You actually dont want to be going full hard or full soft. Better to have proper weight springs to get the stiffness you need and then adjust the damper (but not full hard or soft)
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Nah the ones I've seen are taken when it was sitting flat or under brakes. There's a couple of seconds in one of Type R Thrasher's vids where he flys past me and I noticed my inside rear wheel lifting up a fair bit.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    inside rear wheel lifting is fine, a lot of hondas do that in hard corners
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    ooh yeah, i read it differently.... sorry, im asian with 4 eyes... shouldve read better....

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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    3 wheeling yo!!! ive seen plenty of civics doing that on the track, have a look at some of the best motoring vids. ive even read cocking the inside leg helps with the car turning in on its axis or some bs. if the car was that flexy i wouldnt imagine it would do that, it would just load up the suspension and flex the body.
    maybe your mistaking your body flex for saggy suspension setup.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    or your not quiet sure how to describe how the car is handling and what your want from it.

    worry about over steer/under steer as opposed to body flex
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    went to swap my front sway bar but the bolts one the exhaust flange next to my O2 sensor are rusted solid. Anyone know a way around this or am I pretty much stuck until I get a new exhaust put on?


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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Quote Originally Posted by dox View Post
    oh ture, sorry i forgot your a real racer
    LOL hardly. Just some information I picked up from real racers, not some internet information warriors
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

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    or your not quiet sure how to describe how the car is handling and what your want from it.
    Pretty much this. I lack the experience and can't really articulate what I mean. What I want is easy - go round corners faster/smoother. How I want to go about doing this, dunno.

    On the road I had the dampening set to full soft, after putting them in full hard and waking up the next morning unable to move my neck, but it felt funny so I now have it at 4 clicks off soft and it feels better to me.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    i would just take the advice given to ya in this thread, then spend more time driving your car on the track,
    track time/experance is proven in faster times and cornering speeds etc.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    [QUOTE=djb160;1784942]went to swap my front sway bar but the bolts one the exhaust flange next to my O2 sensor are rusted solid. Anyone know a way around this or am I pretty much stuck until I get a new exhaust put on?[QUOTE]

    angle grinder and cut that bitch off, go to hardware shop and buy new bolt.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    how the hell do you get to the top one though? Drop the manifold as well? If I do that I'll need to deal with the O2 sensor as well as it's in much the same state.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Crc and a power bar will get it off.

    Does the car plow through corners or does the rear want to step out.

    Maybe get someone else to take your car for a drive on the track and see what they think.

    You need to tailor the car to your style as you might like it to under steer while some may like oversteer. It will change what mods you need to go to thr car.

    You won't really be able to tell completely on the street
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    thats your car right? i would lower the whole thing a bit more it may help some more with the handling


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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    if you dont want a cage, seam weld areas in the cabin and around the chassis

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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    I went down to pukekohe for a track day today. First time giving my eg a proper run after a fresh build, my re11 tyres got really hot but was having a few under steer issues, played around with the front damper and got it set to where I thought felt best (8 clicks from full hard) but still tended to under-steer slightly, one lap I came into the s bend way to hot got a touch over steer, so softend the back up a touch seemed to fix that problem. I wonder if I am at the limit of what my tyres can handle. Any thoughts??

    FYI my car is a eg hatch, bc reds, 12kg F 6 kg R, 96 type r sway bar f & r, camber F & R (4.5neg degrees total front and 3.5 neg total rear).

    over all i'm extremely happy with how the car handled, maybe i'm just expecting too much from it haha

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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    I'm picking your effective combined spring weight at the wheel is too stiff on the front compared to the rear. So either go stiffer springs in the rear or take the front sway bar off and see how you go - be prepared for the rear to be more lively but thats just the effect of reducing understeer - you have to determine what the car will do once you reach the limit of the tyres.

    4.5 negative camber is quite alot in the front.

    What toe settings are you running? You could look at running more negative toe in the front.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    hes said total, so im guessing -2.25 each side front?
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Ah I see. Sounds decent then.
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    Tuned for 2psi of boost since thats what I was getting up to with the Headlight forcefeed intake.

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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    I ended up taking my front sway bar off with a really similar setup. Had less camber on rear and toe in on front and ran RE11's in the wet and didnt have understeer issues.
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    yeah after doing a bit more research maybe my camber settings are a bit aggressive, next time I'm out there I will check the tyre temps across the width of the tyre for even heat distribution.

    Rear toe set at 0, front -1 total

    I think i will keep my heavy as 17s with r-11 for wets, and buy some light weight 15's or 16's withe slicks

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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Na camber and toe settings are a good starting point - temp gauge is handy for making adjustments and learning about the setup.

    I'd just look at springs, sway bars and more seat time .
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    Re: Help with handling improvements, EG.

    Yeah defiantly more seat time! run about 6 laps doing 1min15s so happy as for first time out

    Moving to aus this week for a few years, so when i get back hopefully cashed up ill buy a heap of go fast goodies and get back into it

    Cheers for help guys.

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