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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet47 View Post
    just think of it as a form of Natural Selection.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Was tempted to press play at work..
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by SEdan View Post
    I dont want to be a prick, but what?

    Technically speaking, I'd say there would be very little suffering in an accident like this.

    Secondly, I don't believe it to be 'macho' for one minute. I personally have an interest in the macabre; No, I'm not a serial killer, no I don't like torturing animals, no I am not a rapist, but the reality is, in the world there is a lot of sick, sick shit. And we are SO sheltered from it. Whats wrong with being interested in the crazy crap that other parts of the world get up to. For some people (this posted video is a bad example), stuff like public stonings and beheadings for convicted murderers and rapists, is something that they see on a week to week basis. Kids as young as five watch this. Yes WE may think it's barbaric, but that's life for them.

    So in short, no it's not macho, its purely curiosity, and a willingness to see what else goes on in the world, outside of our sheltered little bubble. And besides, have you watched these Saudi drifting videos? The amount of innocent road users that get taken out because some guy in his Camry couldn't control his 150kph tank slapper, is huge. About time we saw these guys have something bad happen to themselves, at the expense of no one but themselves.
    I think you're missing the point here. Things like public executions are isolated events that are co-incidentally observed by bystanders. However, this is a video recording of people being dismembered and having their lives ended (albeit, as a result of their own stupidity). Irrespective of your interest in the macabre, these people were once someones children and whilst it must be awful to have lost them, it must be exponentially worse knowing that some people are fascinated and entertained by watching them being repeatedly ripped apart. I know I keep repeating this philosophy, but would it be as entertaining if it was your family or someone you loved? Would it be cool if we all keep watching it over and over and commenting on the extreme brutality? I think not.

    People on these forums keep asking what's wrong with the world, and the ultimate answer is that we're gradually losing the idea of compassion. Desensitization to violence only serves to make it less reprehensible, which is about the worst way for the world to head.

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mech View Post

    People on these forums keep asking what's wrong with the world, and the ultimate answer is that we're gradually losing the idea of compassion. Desensitization to violence only serves to make it less reprehensible, which is about the worst way for the world to head.
    Yes, I do see your point totally. And I agree with you re: desensitisation totally, but I think we are very naive down here in NZ.

    I think it's also a little naive to say public punishments are 'co-incidentally' observed by bystanders. All reports I've read and watched suggest that crowds come out in thousands to watch them, its not just a case of "hmmm I better go buy some ice-crea- hey wait a minute, is that guy about to get his head chopped off?!".

    I guess my point is (which I think you may have missed), is that no I dont believe any of us watch it to be tough guys. As was mentioned earlier, death is a very very intriguing thing, why be shy about it? We're all going to die one day, and we're never going to know what it's like until we do. It's very improbable in life you can die and come back to life, so for a lot of us it definitely is fascinating. I wouldn't for one second call that video entertaining (I'm certainly not grabbing the pop corn) but again, I am fascinated by it. How many times did you watch the Dan Wheldon accident in Indy last season? Are we expected to censor that so NO ONE can see the crash and we're all to accept it happened? What about Senna? The list goes on...

    I do get your point regarding that being someone's child/uncle/bother/dad/grandad etc, but this is life. Uncles, Dads, Granddads die in front of people everyday. Sure not everyone is being filmed when they die, but I don't quite understand what you're taking umbrage at (in this instance). This isn't an 8 year old girl who is suffering from an awful disease and is being filmed until she passes, this is two morons endangering everyone elses lives, probably with many friends in the spectators who they've asked to film them.

    I still think I'm a pretty compassionate, empathetic person. But if you get killed endangering someone else's life, then my compassion levels are certainly reduced.

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    This video is a perfect example of, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    So I guess those guys where right when they thought crazy drifting on the streets was 'armless.

    Mech, I think the distinction here is that this video, albeit macabre, is part of the wider scope these videos have created on the internet. This particular video shows a bloody rough end to an idiotic way of having fun. The reason a lot of us are cheering is because of all the other videos that show these guys getting away with being fuck-wits.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

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    Holly Fuck, his arm fell off!!!
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by DC2 8U View Post
    That arm was definitely not from the guy that landed on the highway. Must have been the first guy as it looked as if he was missing an arm. If you could not handle that then theres no way in hell you would want to be a firefighter or even ambulance driver. They deal with bigger messes than that on NZ roads
    I would very much like to be a policeman, but the site of that made me cringe so I dont know if i'd make a good cop ahaha.
    I have seen worse on tv3 news though haha

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mech View Post
    People on these forums keep asking what's wrong with the world, and the ultimate answer is that we're gradually losing the idea of compassion. Desensitization to violence only serves to make it less reprehensible, which is about the worst way for the world to head.

    I disagree with this. Experience does not make you less compassionate. It may make you more pragmatic. Otherwise, war veterans, ED doctors and older people in general would be a bunch of hard, callous bastards who don't give a crap about anything.

    I think it is better to be exposed to and educated on as wide a range of situations as you can in your lifetime, both for the sake of completeness and so that we are less likely in our lives to encounter a situation that we have not at least considered. Yes, it will hurt the family if the deaths of their loved ones are continually revisited, but it serves a greater purpose by enlightening others. In any case, the footage is available in a public forum. Provided that is is the case, the question "should we watch it" is answered in the affirmative, if one so desires.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteRice View Post
    I disagree with this. Experience does not make you less compassionate. It may make you more pragmatic. Otherwise, war veterans, ED doctors and older people in general would be a bunch of hard, callous bastards who don't give a crap about anything.

    I think it is better to be exposed to and educated on as wide a range of situations as you can in your lifetime, both for the sake of completeness and so that we are less likely in our lives to encounter a situation that we have not at least considered. Yes, it will hurt the family if the deaths of their loved ones are continually revisited, but it serves a greater purpose by enlightening others. In any case, the footage is available in a public forum. Provided that is is the case, the question "should we watch it" is answered in the affirmative, if one so desires.
    It's a nice theory, but experiencing war and emergency medical situations is totally different to watching internet gore videos. Doctors in ER departments are trying desperately to save people's lives and the desire to relieve the suffering of others is an integral part of the work they do. Admittedly, some soldiers have become less affected by the horrors of war, but I assure you, if you offered to show war veterans videos of people being ripped apart, they'd soon tell you where to go.

    Personally, I don't need to see these videos to feel 'educated'. I know what will happen when meat and blood hit solid objects at high speed. I know what will happen if you drive over a melon, at least enough to know what will happen if you drive over a person.

    It's all very well saying that the videos exist in the public domain and therefore anyone who wants to see them should be allowed to, but the trouble with that attitude is, where do you draw the line? How sick and depraved does a video need to be before you feel satisfied? At what point does it go past inquisitive and become a psychological disorder?

    People around here were very upset when Shaun Fitzpatrick (destroy.tuning) was killed by a boyracer at high speed. So ask yourself, if someone posted a video of the accident on a public forum showing Shaun's horrific injuries, would you link to it?

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    ^^^^This is a totally cyclic argument and not one either party are going to agree on.

    Personally I think what you've just raised is again, a seperate issue. You should know that, that is not the same - at all.

    I shouldn't really have to distinguish why either. Vid I posted - 2 morons endangering their own lives and others. Mr Fitzpatrick was a completely innocent bystander, putting no one at risk or harm.

    I know that you're now going to say "exactly my point, because this is closer to home, now you don't want to watch" but i just simply disagree with you on that.

    Let me put it another way. If someone I knew had done something totally reckless and killed themselves and it happened to be caught on camera... No, I wouldn't watch it BUT I wouldn't be damning other people if they did.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    There's no denying that the internet has de-sensitised a generation. It's common knowledge that if you do stupid things, stupid things will happen. It's also common knowledge that some people out there learn that the hard way, but I don't see a publication on the internet showing the results of such stupidity enlightening anyone, just entertaining - which I personally find disturbing.

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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by SEdan View Post
    ^^^^This is a totally cyclic argument and not one either party are going to agree on.

    Personally I think what you've just raised is again, a seperate issue. You should know that, that is not the same - at all.

    I shouldn't really have to distinguish why either. Vid I posted - 2 morons endangering their own lives and others. Mr Fitzpatrick was a completely innocent bystander, putting no one at risk or harm.

    I know that you're now going to say "exactly my point, because this is closer to home, now you don't want to watch" but i just simply disagree with you on that.

    Let me put it another way. If someone I knew had done something totally reckless and killed themselves and it happened to be caught on camera... No, I wouldn't watch it BUT I wouldn't be damning other people if they did.
    I think you might be right, I really don't see this working out. Especially as I don't see how you can have a "fascination" with death and then turn around and tell me that this video is different because they were asking for it. And whilst it might be okay with you if it was someone you knew, but what if it was someone you loved? What if it was your own child, who you've raised, taught to walk, took to school and watched them grow up? Would you just brush it off if their gruesome death was captured on video - just because they were being reckless? I really, really hope not.

    To be fair, I couldn't care less about these clowns either, but to wallow in their misery by watching them die - it's a step too far. Conversely, I have nothing but respect for drivers like Senna and Wheldon, but to replay the exact moment they both suffer massive brain injuries doesn't suddenly prepare me for life or make me a more rounded individual. I'd like to think I have more respect for them than that and for them to truly rest in peace, I wouldn't continually dwell on their final mistake.

    As I see it, if you were honestly 'intrigued' or 'fascinated' with death, then you'd learn a whole lot more watching the hypothetical 8 year old girl dying from an awful disease then watching some idiots explode into blood and bits.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mech View Post
    I think you might be right, I really don't see this working out. Especially as I don't see how you can have a "fascination" with death and then turn around and tell me that this video is different because they were asking for it. And whilst it might be okay with you if it was someone you knew, but what if it was someone you loved? What if it was your own child, who you've raised, taught to walk, took to school and watched them grow up? Would you just brush it off if their gruesome death was captured on video - just because they were being reckless? I really, really hope not.

    To be fair, I couldn't care less about these clowns either, but to wallow in their misery by watching them die - it's a step too far. Conversely, I have nothing but respect for drivers like Senna and Wheldon, but to replay the exact moment they both suffer massive brain injuries doesn't suddenly prepare me for life or make me a more rounded individual. I'd like to think I have more respect for them than that and for them to truly rest in peace, I wouldn't continually dwell on their final mistake.

    As I see it, if you were honestly 'intrigued' or 'fascinated' with death, then you'd learn a whole lot more watching the hypothetical 8 year old girl dying from an awful disease then watching some idiots explode into blood and bits.
    All excellent points without a doubt. Yes you're right, someone I loved would be a different story. There are always exceptions to the rule though.

    As I've said, I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just disagree. I also feel like you're patronising me, which I really hate, so I'm going to leave this debate where it stands.

    Agree to disagree?

    EDIT: I suppose fundamentally, for me to disagree, I do have think you're wrong. What I'm trying to say is I definitely see your point of view.
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    Re: Brutal Saudi Drifting Crash (Fatal) - NSFW R18 etc.

    Bumping this up as I saw this on Stuff today.

    Killer drifting driver to be beheaded - Stuff.co.nz

    Doesn't sound like it's the same incident as in the video posted thought.
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