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    8,000rpm (B Series Redline!) Soichiro's Avatar
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    Three dead after car crash during police pursuit

    It's finally happened, I warned about it ages ago that drivers would take off rather than have their cars impounded and now 3 young people are dead, and 3 families have had their Christmas, and the rest of their lives, ruined by this stupidity.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/print/3910047a10.html

    Does any one find this acceptable? Why wasn't it sorted when they were first pulled up? Why did Police continue to let them drive? Didn't they suspect he might take off when told his car would be impounded? And then chase them at high speeds until they crashed?

    Too right there should be a Police enquiry. And to top it all off a Senior official blamed speed (which they helped cause) and drink driving (which they don't know for certain).

    ( ops: sorry about that, it wasn't our fault)

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    Their is alot I could say, and none of it would be particulary nice - but I'm going to refrain and just say that I feel sorry for the childrens parents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost
    I feel sorry for the childrens parents.
    going to be a sad christmas for them allrite :cry:

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    So some idiots would rather endanger themselves and the public than risk having their car impounded, and it's the fault of the Police? While they didn't deserve to loose their lives, it's still hard to feel any real sympathy for them. I feel for their families though, such a stupid way to waste young lives. At least they didn't take any innocent bystanders out with them in their selfish attempt to hold on to their car.

    It's simple, if the police are chasing you, STOP. Your car/license/fine is not worth the risk of your life and the lives of others.

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    well i know its mean but uhm why were the police still pursuing.. i know it is a matter of safety etc.. but who else would be on the road at 4am in the morning that they could have possibly killed if the police had called off the pursuit...

    im not saying its the polices fault i mean the little kid shouldnt have driven off... but yeah... a night that was meant to be just a little bit of fun.. i mean who hasnt hung out of a Sunroof... turned into a really bad night... 8O

    i feel sorry for everyone involved... especially the parents

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    The 16 year old driver had a 16 year old g/f who was pregenant as well...

    A turely sad christmas story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fungus
    So some idiots would rather endanger themselves and the public than risk having their car impounded, and it's the fault of the Police?
    No of course not. How could they have possibly guessed that chasing after someone at high speed could conceivably cause them to accelerate and crash?

    Try reading my whole comment please, I want to know why they let him continue to drive then act surprised to pull him up again, then force him into a high-speed chase when they knew he didn't even have a licence.

    Irresponsible is the kindest term I can use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xryanx
    The 16 year old driver had a 16 year old g/f who was pregenant as well...
    Well obviously the boy never thought his decisions through.
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    I think the police pulled the car over ONCE after sighting someone hanging out of the sunroof at 4am? not twice. my understanding is the officer came up to the car - got as far as gettng the name of the driver (which relates to why they knew the identity of the 16yr old driver) and then the car just took off and they gave chase??

    People do stupid things - and a very stupid thing is to try and run away from the police after you get pulled up - results in a chase. Its very sad that the driver had passengers in the car with him and those are the people I'd be mostly concearned about and their families - not the driver. Sure its sad he crashed and lost his life never a good thing but what else can you call someone like that who takes off in these circumstances but an IDIOT that pretty much got what he asked for.
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    It's a tragic accident and a truely terrible time of the year for it to happen, but it's not the Police's fault.

    The driver made the decision to run. His fault and his alone. Unfortunately one he didn't live to regret.

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    If the kids were driving at dangerous speeds then the police must also have been chasing them at dangerous speeds, this sort of incident is the reason why i campaigned for the government to reconsider the 'boy racer bill' (which as far as it is written is unconstitional) when it was being voted on (by the way i am not against the bills purpose, rather all for racing being taken off the streets and to the tracks).
    This thread will turn into a flame war, which i am sure was not the authors intention, it should be instead used productively to again spark up debate about the way laws are written and enforced.

    Such a sad thing to happen this time of year, my heart goes out to the families of the deceased.
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    Prime News said they had been spoken to earlier that night, so I don't know which version is correct. I suppose that will come out.

    Doesn't change anything really, and to feel sorry for the parents (we're talking 3 dead here) then say their kids got what they deserved is hypocritical surely.

    I'm simply saying it shouldn't have happened, but this is what happens when you use fear and punishment as a deterrent. To suggest the death penalty is suitable punishment for driving without a licence is a bit draconian isn't it?

    And since when did 16 year old boys think ANYTHING through?

    And thanks Pump N, I'm plesed that someone else feels the same about this disgusting Boyracer Act, guess I'm just fkn angry at such a stupid waste and idiocy by ALL concerned.

    I'm off tomorrow morning to see my kids, similar ages, after having worked all year to try and put alternative solutions in place, and this shit and attitudes belong in the dark ages.

    There needs to be a better way :cry:
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    how sad, lucky they didint take anyone else with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soichiro
    And since when did 16 year old boys think ANYTHING through?
    I personally think that the age required to get your license should be 18. Plus - it should be compulsary to have actual driver training, not just a quick drive around the block with an instructer. It should incorperate all sorts of test - such as driving on slippery surfaces, blah, blah, blah. Then - If these certain people do get in trouble - perhaps some of the training they have been subjected to might just save their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost
    Quote Originally Posted by Soichiro
    And since when did 16 year old boys think ANYTHING through?
    I personally think that the age required to get your license should be 18. Plus - it should be compulsary to have actual driver training, not just a quick drive around the block with an instructer. It should incorperate all sorts of test - such as driving on slippery surfaces, blah, blah, blah. Then - If these certain people do get in trouble - perhaps some of the training they have been subjected to might just save their lives.
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    I fully agree with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost
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    No way Frost, exactly what I've been proposing, and it should be mandatory.

    It could also be used for drivers with unpayable fines, do a proper course like this, stay clean for 6 months, and the fines get wiped. They're not working anyway.

    Radical I know, but it's 2006 not 1506.
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    imho if they were stupid enough to do that , they deserved to die
    feel sorry for the family for raising idiot childrens
    i personally don't think the police did anything wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macro
    Quote Originally Posted by xryanx
    The 16 year old driver had a 16 year old g/f who was pregenant as well...
    Well obviously the boy never thought his decisions through.
    +1

    But, this is a sad story of someone not making the right choice and spoiling his family, and his friends families Christmas.
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    You can't put this on the Police - its 100% on the kid driving the car

    Not a pleasant thing to happen, but it could have been far worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disinfo
    You can't put this on the Police - its 100% on the kid driving the car

    Not a pleasant thing to happen, but it could have been far worse
    How could it be any worse?3 young people are dead..

    At the end of the day it comes down to the person driving the vehicle, and as hard as it is to believe it's not the fault of the Police in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by $CENSLS1$
    How could it be any worse?3 young people are dead..
    They could have taken out some innocent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disinfo
    You can't put this on the Police - its 100% on the kid driving the car

    Not a pleasant thing to happen, but it could have been far worse
    They chased an inexperienced, unlicenced driver at 190k's and didn't do anything wrong? They had his details, they could have picked him up when he got home which he probably would have if they hadn't chased him. The kid made a wrong decision to take off, someone made a wrong decision to pursue him.

    Sounds like 50/50 to me and the result doesn't get much worse than what happened.

    I keep hearing that the Police are the ones who have to tell the parents, well I can see this one.

    "Mrs Soandso, your son is dead from a car accident."

    "How did it happen?"

    "We were chasing him at 190 k's."

    What would you say? .

    And it's NOT a sledge at the Police, just a feeling that this will keep happening if someone doesn't have a rethink on where to draw the line.
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    in this case i dont think its fear to play the blame game with the police

    if the pursuit was at 140KPH then sure the cops could of pulled back and let the guy go - they had a rego and could pick him up next morning at home

    BUT

    what happens when they let him go and he gets all amped up "i just out run the police" then goes and slams into someone on their way to spend Christmas with loved ones?

    surely the safest course of action was going to be for the police to get this guy off the streets and a smack on the wrist, fines etc later he might have learned something, as it is he's the one that slammed his foot on the gas and took off.

    This makes you really feel for the families and the passengers - driver should of known better but think about it thats 3 dead kids all under 20 day before christmas - no positive ID so the families might not even know until tomorrow morning when we are opening our pressies they will be falling to pieces.

    as suggested above i fully agree that our licence system is a joke, there should be a subsidised but complusary advanced driver training programme in this country, i would be more than keen to get in a car with a pro and learn more of what to do in an emergency - after all anyone can teach you how to drive down the street - but that wont help if you suddenly hit a patch of ice, gravel roads etc. and there should be a limited amount of time that you can stay on your restricted before you must sit this course and pass to recieve your full.

    R.I.P to the 3 Kids involved the people you loved will miss your light in their lives and this christmas wont be merry for any of them - i hope theres a spot up there for you all, this wasnt an intentional sin but a bad call in the heat of the moment where some kid thought he was going to loose his car and get his family up set for xmas - stupid - but hardly evil
    Thoughts and prayers go out to the families involved

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    I don't want to play the blame game, it's only my opinions. It's a tragedy that could have been avoided with a little common sense.

    And Shadow Sol, why would anyone want to flame you? That's the nicest piece of writing I've ever seen, couldn't have put it better. I work trying to stop unecessary young deaths, that's why it guts me to see this sort of thing, and it's good to know others feel the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost
    Their is alot I could say, and none of it would be particulary nice - but I'm going to refrain and just say that I feel sorry for the childrens parents.
    I agree with you here, I'll try my best not too but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Soichiro
    They chased an inexperienced, unlicenced driver at 190k's and didn't do anything wrong? They had his details, they could have picked him up when he got home which he probably would have if they hadn't chased him. The kid made a wrong decision to take off, someone made a wrong decision to pursue him.
    Yeah thats one way how things could of turned out but what if after the police backed off to make the decision to get him the next morning he goes driving around town or something and kills even more people?

    Hell what makes you think after having all the adrenaline pumping around his body that hes gonna drive at the speed limit after that?

    Stupid people should not breed :thumbsdown: nor should they be allowed to be behind the wheel. The police did the right thing :thumbsup:

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