hard to get into gears

eg6sir · 12th April 2003, 07:35 PM

my gearbox is so hard to get into gears if i started up the car and if i turn it off then it's very smooth. and sometime it has some strange e.eee..e sound from the gearbox.
anybody know what's wrong with it?

PH4T SI · 12th April 2003, 07:44 PM

your syncros might be out, or your box needs to be reconditioned, i think its the first one though :wink:

eg6sir · 12th April 2003, 07:56 PM

wat's syncros???
actually i changed my gearbox yesterday,because i had the same problem,(hard to get into gears) and that strange eee..eee sound. but the probem doesn't go away. so piss me off :cry:

Pnut · 12th April 2003, 09:52 PM

Dumb question, but have you checked the fluid level?

TuLaLiT · 12th April 2003, 10:27 PM

last time my gearbox did that it turned out that my clutch was gone

and its doing it again now

Pnut · 12th April 2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuLaLiT

last time my gearbox did that it turned out that my clutch was gone

Thats true, i have had something similar when the clutch was not set right on a mates car, if the clutch is not fully engageing the sincros will still be spinning (?) or will have pressure still put on them.

Also, does it have the correct fluid in the gearbox? Do a search but you will probably find it needs a 10W-30 SAE-SJ or the genuine Honda MTF fluids, if it is thicker you might find some problems arise.

TuLaLiT, have you checked the adjustment?

eg6sir · 12th April 2003, 11:10 PM

the fluid in the gearbox should be fine~ but i guess is the clutch wasn't set right or probably. it's a standard clutch. but when i step it down...it feels like no pressure on it. could this be the problem?? and when my car is turned off, it shifts very smooth, but once i start it up and trying to get into 1st gear.! it is just so hard to get in. does this happened to any of you guys??
thx for all helps~

btw i have a short shift on it aswell...but this shouldn't make any difference aye??

HUSSLAA · 13th April 2003, 12:18 AM

Yeah when my clutch blew i had the exact same problem. The car wouldn't go into gear when it was started. But as soon you i'd turn it off it would slip into gear fine, well it was on and off... sometimes it would and sometimes it wouldn't,... turned out my clutch had been badly demolished..

i'd get it checked out, wouldn't want one of those springs on your clutch to go thru your gearbox!!!

TuLaLiT · 13th April 2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pnut

Quote:

Originally Posted by TuLaLiT

last time my gearbox did that it turned out that my clutch was gone

Thats true, i have had something similar when the clutch was not set right on a mates car, if the clutch is not fully engageing the sincros will still be spinning (?) or will have pressure still put on them.

Also, does it have the correct fluid in the gearbox? Do a search but you will probably find it needs a 10W-30 SAE-SJ or the genuine Honda MTF fluids, if it is thicker you might find some problems arise.

TuLaLiT, have you checked the adjustment?

checked it already and im using honda MTF already , but i know its my clutch , its doing the same thing like last time , its very hard to get into first gear but once its moving changing to another gears just normal

yeah and castrol gearbox oil fucked up my synchros big time

from now on i will only gonna use honda mtf or redline

Pnut · 13th April 2003, 04:44 PM

went into a couple of repco stores to try and find some of the 10w-30 tranny oil as obviously Honda are not open, neither really had anything below about 70. The one in grey lynn tried to tell me that no one uses 10w-30 in the gearbox and that it was only for the mota, and when he looked in his little book it told him to use castrol gtx which really seemed confusing. Then had to go to the Botany store as well (thanks to trade parts not giving me a clutch plate with the right number of splines) and the guy there was quite good, but in the end i am going to wait till tomorrow to get the real deal from Honda.

Is it just me or does it seem strange that no one else seems to stock that particular grade of gearbox oil?

PH4T SI · 13th April 2003, 09:39 PM

no its not strange, its honda making $$$$ :wink:

Pnut · 13th April 2003, 10:29 PM

yea, but if it is a common oil for Honda box's i would expect repco and the likes to stock a replacement (not Honda brand obviously) given that they are a common vehical

Littlecivic · 13th April 2003, 11:42 PM

I had the same problem as you. so i pulled out the box and found it to be the clutch plate had twisted itself (drag racing) the springs where loose in the plate and the pressure plate was ground out on the inside edge and part of the pressure plate was had broken off and was sitting loose in there. So I would say it is the clutch, you would prob pay about $500 or so for the clutch and 4 hours labour etc... thats if it is the clutch

Disinfo · 14th April 2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pnut

yea, but if it is a common oil for Honda box's i would expect repco and the likes to stock a replacement (not Honda brand obviously) given that they are a common vehical

If you don't want to pay the premium for Honda MTF then just use normal 10W-30 engine oil.

Pnut · 14th April 2003, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disinfo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pnut

yea, but if it is a common oil for Honda box's i would expect repco and the likes to stock a replacement (not Honda brand obviously) given that they are a common vehical

If you don't want to pay the premium for Honda MTF then just use normal 10W-30 engine oil.

Its ok, went and bought some mtf this morning. Most of the posts\threads i read on this said not to use engine oil as it has different additives as a trans is a different application than an engine, which makes sense to me.
($65 for 3 litres from honda!!!)

dethy · 14th April 2003, 11:23 AM

Ive read in 2 different user manuals for my car (DA6 teg) to use - and only use 10w30 or Honda MTF in the gearbox, and I do, without any problems.

10w30 oil isnt that expensive - $40-ish for 5L-ish, as for that crap about additives not being made for a gearbox, if that was the case, i dont think Honda would reccomend it.

IMO anything else is a waste of coin.

TuLaLiT · 14th April 2003, 09:11 PM

redline makes 10w-30 gearbox oil
but woooooo $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

12th April 2003, 07:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
eg6sir Senior Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 182	hard to get into gears my gearbox is so hard to get into gears if i started up the car and if i turn it off then it's very smooth. and sometime it has some strange e.eee..e sound from the gearbox. anybody know what's wrong with it?

12th April 2003, 07:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
PH4T SI Senior Member 5,000rpm (VTEC Power!) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,363 Location: Waitakere	your syncros might be out, or your box needs to be reconditioned, i think its the first one though :wink: __________________ aww crap, did i just say something retarded? yep..........

12th April 2003, 09:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pnut Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,144 Location: Auckland	Dumb question, but have you checked the fluid level? __________________ The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents

12th April 2003, 10:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
TuLaLiT Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,136 Location: Outside NZ: Israel	last time my gearbox did that it turned out that my clutch was gone and its doing it again now __________________ 2001 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR VSPEC II 1997 Honda Integra Type R Turbo

13th April 2003, 12:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
HUSSLAA Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,454 Location: Wellington	Yeah when my clutch blew i had the exact same problem. The car wouldn't go into gear when it was started. But as soon you i'd turn it off it would slip into gear fine, well it was on and off... sometimes it would and sometimes it wouldn't,... turned out my clutch had been badly demolished.. i'd get it checked out, wouldn't want one of those springs on your clutch to go thru your gearbox!!! __________________ Funcrusher + Photos

12th April 2003, 07:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
eg6sir Senior Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 182	wat's syncros??? actually i changed my gearbox yesterday,because i had the same problem,(hard to get into gears) and that strange eee..eee sound. but the probem doesn't go away. so piss me off :cry:

12th April 2003, 11:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
eg6sir Senior Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 182	the fluid in the gearbox should be fine~ but i guess is the clutch wasn't set right or probably. it's a standard clutch. but when i step it down...it feels like no pressure on it. could this be the problem?? and when my car is turned off, it shifts very smooth, but once i start it up and trying to get into 1st gear.! it is just so hard to get in. does this happened to any of you guys?? thx for all helps~ btw i have a short shift on it aswell...but this shouldn't make any difference aye??

13th April 2003, 04:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pnut Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,144 Location: Auckland	went into a couple of repco stores to try and find some of the 10w-30 tranny oil as obviously Honda are not open, neither really had anything below about 70. The one in grey lynn tried to tell me that no one uses 10w-30 in the gearbox and that it was only for the mota, and when he looked in his little book it told him to use castrol gtx which really seemed confusing. Then had to go to the Botany store as well (thanks to trade parts not giving me a clutch plate with the right number of splines) and the guy there was quite good, but in the end i am going to wait till tomorrow to get the real deal from Honda. Is it just me or does it seem strange that no one else seems to stock that particular grade of gearbox oil? __________________ The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents

13th April 2003, 09:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
PH4T SI Senior Member 5,000rpm (VTEC Power!) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,363 Location: Waitakere	no its not strange, its honda making $$$$ :wink: __________________ aww crap, did i just say something retarded? yep..........

13th April 2003, 10:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pnut Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,144 Location: Auckland	yea, but if it is a common oil for Honda box's i would expect repco and the likes to stock a replacement (not Honda brand obviously) given that they are a common vehical __________________ The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents

13th April 2003, 11:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
Littlecivic Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 245	I had the same problem as you. so i pulled out the box and found it to be the clutch plate had twisted itself (drag racing) the springs where loose in the plate and the pressure plate was ground out on the inside edge and part of the pressure plate was had broken off and was sitting loose in there. So I would say it is the clutch, you would prob pay about $500 or so for the clutch and 4 hours labour etc... thats if it is the clutch __________________ 1994 Mazda Capella Station wagon 2.0 0.00 1/4 at 000mph

14th April 2003, 11:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
dethy Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 555 Location: Auckland	Ive read in 2 different user manuals for my car (DA6 teg) to use - and only use 10w30 or Honda MTF in the gearbox, and I do, without any problems. 10w30 oil isnt that expensive - $40-ish for 5L-ish, as for that crap about additives not being made for a gearbox, if that was the case, i dont think Honda would reccomend it. IMO anything else is a waste of coin.

14th April 2003, 09:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
TuLaLiT Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,136 Location: Outside NZ: Israel	redline makes 10w-30 gearbox oil but woooooo $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ __________________ 2001 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR VSPEC II 1997 Honda Integra Type R Turbo

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