Boy sees mother robbed, run over

[KLRVTC]

Originally Posted by mr_tec

klrvtc u must be living under a rock, u may aswell said auckland is sweet

Not really. My brother played league and I've known some people that played for south auckland teams and when I saw them training none of the players seemed like what he described...

[David R]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Civic

This situation will not get better until the Counties Manukau Police get the rescources they need, and to do it completely there would need to be so many cops that you could look in any direction and see at least one.

At the risk of sounding racist, I think one of the biggest ways to reduce this kind of crime would be to crack down on immigration (especially unskilled immigrants with no way of supporting their families), and having a probationary period of 5-10 years for new immigrants and if they are convicted of anything more serious than a speeding ticket they get deported and never allowed back.

You listening Winston?

[EK9_RAC3R]

Tuesday June 17, 04:21 PM Police call in reinforcements to cope with homicides

South Auckland police have called in reinforcements from outside the district to cope with their fourth homicide investigation in two weeks.
Joanne Wang, 39, of Counties Manukau, died this morning after she was knocked down by a car following a man grabbing her handbag in a shopping carpark in south Auckland.

Mrs Wang, a married business woman whose eight-year-old son saw his mother being robbed and then hit by the car, died at 4.15am today at Middlemore Hospital.

Detective Inspector John Tims said Mrs Wang's son was traumatised by witnessing the incident.
Mr Tims called for the public to help hold those responsible for Mrs Wang's death to account but was also forced to defend the safety of the Counties Manukau community.

About 20 police are working on Mr's Wang's homicide investigation and about 20 police from outside the district have been called in to give added support after the fourth homicide in two weeks.

[enfield]

Bring back death penalty.Even if that doesn't lower the crime rates itll be to nice see these scums not being able to commit such crimes again.

[Sleepy]

Time to carry around a realistic looking BB gun for me This is bullshit

[Moclov]

Originally Posted by mr_tec

im currently on the dole (o yay) even tho in another thread i said i wasnt gunna, but losing all source of income makes you hungy...
right now we gotta do what they say ie goto a stupid meeting twice a week to look for work, which is fine except you sit there with a whole lot of nutsacks that have been there years and i is capable of finding work when there is some going timaru is very seasonal as i have found out, i also dont think that that programe will work it will be just like the other one where the kids got paid to be there afterschool

All good man, I totally support the dole being there for people who are temporarily out of work for whatever reason, but it's the "nutsacks" that need to be clamped down on (thank you, thank you, I'll be here all night).

I think there's a big difference between programs trying to motivate/change the behaviour of adults and those trying to do the same for children. An adult has to want to change how they are, whereas if you can get to a child while they're still growing up, still absorbing everything around them and forming who they are, it's a lot easier to succeed.

Basically, come down hard on all the dropkick adults who already have fucked up moral values ingrained in them, and instead of trying to rehabilitate them, channel that money to stopping the next generation of kids growing up the same.

[madDC4]

As some people said earlier. Times are tough. Petrol getting rediculous, food expensive, the cost of living is just plainly unaffordable for some families. When people cant afford to support there alternative habits anymore, they are going to turn to other methods to get the money to do so... theft, other crime and in turn the number of serious assualts will raise and the death toll from these incidents will raise also. What to do?... It wont be easy to turn around, need to start inbedding a fear of the penalty of a crime into peoples heads while they are young, primary school age. Need to place a respect in there minds for law & order. It's not going to change overnight and it's not a problem that's an easy fix.. it will get worse before it gets better. I beleive that the generation we are at now will be one of the last to grow up in fear of Dad's belt if we misbehaved... as simple a fix as that and I grew up to respect the law and my parents, because when I misbehaved I got the penalty and it hurt.

[Stubs]

This is scum!

Now would be an awesome time to be vigilante hitman
All I can say is that it's going to get to the point where everyone will carry weapons in their cars, shit I do already. NZ is getting pissed off with this shit. The thing about NZ though is that we have a fucking massive cry for about a week and then after that no one gives a shit. . .

[madDC4]

Originally Posted by Stubs

The thing about NZ though is that we have a fucking massive cry for about a week and then after that no one gives a shit. . .

Exactly. It pays 'literally' to par-take in illegal activity in NZ. It's bullshit.

[Nicknamed_13]

These crimes happened in an area where lets just say I kind of know. Been to the liquor store once where the shooting happened , parked my car for 30 seconds to drop off a bunny on the street where the kid was stabbed, parked my car for an hour where the lady got ran over and I think I drove on the road where the 80 year old was killed. To be honest it freaks me out. Just being there.

That community needs a real cleanup. And this was not racist or anything, it was aimed at education.

Regarding the doll...... lots of people just sit on it and enjoy the "easy" life. If you look at the areas where they have a high unemployment rate, they drive V6's and V8's but they are on the doll. Wasting money on fastfoods for entire family nearly every night, extra petrol for the tank they drive. Of course they will run out of money. And the "dropkicks" usually come out of a family of "dropkicks". So the shitheads multiply. The theif that comes out of a reach family but can;t be bothered will steal more money without killing someone or even using a gun (eg tax fraud, investment frauds etc). "Dropkicks" can't do anything except use his body size or gun/knife to produce a few bucks and a few innocent dead bodies. And from the way I've seen NZ teenagers behave, I don't see how they will end up becoming responsible adults and their kids will become "dropkicks" and they will be in larger number. So the more you leave it the harder it will become.

Then you have the "new dropkicks". Mid class. And that starts with normal adults who can't control their kids behaviour. Anti-smack bill comes into place too. Spoiled brats.

So there is too much into play to pinpoint the exact cause. I could think of a few in 30 seconds, imagine what a proper team of analists would come up with. And then how do you come up with a plan that covers the whole thing, and then how do you implement it. Problem is gov only deals with specific areas of concern and not with the whole thing, and when its running out of options they take the action which clearly shows thay have absolutely no idea what they are doing.... bring out another tax.

[b16a2]

Originally Posted by KLRVTC

Not really. My brother played league and I've known some people that played for south auckland teams and when I saw them training none of the players seemed like what he described...

well when i played rugby they sure were its altho they play rugby to get into fights and cause trouble.....

[turbozxi]

Dead thats the 2nd one I used to deliver to who has died this year.

The lack of money at the moment is beginning to be quite apparent, nearly every SA small business we deliver to is moaning probably as bad as I have ever seen it.

[LOWXTC]

They need to start making them stand in the streets on a busy road pref city centre with a sign of the crime they commited e.g " I stole from a dairy" " I stole a Handbag from a 70year old woman" " I drunk and drove and killed an innicent boy"

Those signs would humiliate them in public and may have influence of thier crime.

Otherwise touture them and let the family/person( s ) the crime affected them, ao if someone stole your car and beat you so they can take it, you get to smash there car up and beat the living crap out of them.

[Naturally Aspirated]

Originally Posted by KLRVTC

Not really. My brother played league and I've known some people that played for south auckland teams and when I saw them training none of the players seemed like what he described...

Keyword = Training

[STEVO7]

Shoot the mongrels then send the bill for the bullet to their famly

[DbP]

Originally Posted by VTAKYO

... keen on a group buy on anthrax and a cropduster?

Sarin FTW - South Auckland, then a pre-emptive strike on Porirua East

Originally Posted by David R

At the risk of sounding racist, I think one of the biggest ways to reduce this kind of crime would be to crack down on immigration (especially unskilled immigrants with no way of supporting their families), and having a probationary period of 5-10 years for new immigrants and if they are convicted of anything more serious than a speeding ticket they get deported and never allowed back.

Not trying to pick a fight, but how many of the (insert ethnic group) criminals are actually immigrants rather than 1st/2nd gen kiwi?

[SLOTEG]

Originally Posted by STEVO7

Shoot the mongrels then send the bill for the bullet to their famly

china styles ftw!
im fucking glad i moved away now, you just dont see this bullshit down here, but eventually we will, which is rather sad

arm the south auckland police force, like they are asking for, as well as every single front line officer having a tazer on him.
fuck the green party and all the bleeding heart pc fuckwits, no amount of handout working-for-families payments, ad campaigns and hand-holding is going to help the low-life scumbags out there to change.

winston, if your listening, theres a bunch of people who would vote you into a power position if you listen ti what the community is saying

[Mech]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

Time to carry around a realistic looking BB gun for me This is bullshit

I'm going to assume you're joking. Carrying any sort of replica weapon is a surefire way to end up in BIG trouble.

[MMJA]

Unfortunately as much as we wana stop all of this in this PC world we live in it is nearly impossible. We need someone, or some group to just step up and say fuck this, from now on if you murder you will get this, no if buts or maybes. But as expected we have such parties like the Greens who thinks everything is peachy and there's good in everyone and we can rehabilitate a serial murder and rapist.

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by Mech

I'm going to assume you're joking. Carrying any sort of replica weapon is a surefire way to end up in BIG trouble.

Yeah I was .

[David R]

Originally Posted by DbP

Not trying to pick a fight, but how many of the (insert ethnic group) criminals are actually immigrants rather than 1st/2nd gen kiwi?

I'm not sure, but I think that you're right in saying the majority are 1st/2nd generation "kiwis". How ever, I see no place in this country for immigrants who don't want to be law abiding and productive citizens, and if we get rid of those who prove themselves otherwise we would save a heap on imprisonment costs, court costs, re-offending etc.

[Leon]

Public shaming would be good. They get to wear a pink "offender" vest, and do really public PD. Stuff like cleaning graffiti, scraping chewing gum off the streets etc. Then take it a step further. Signs outside their house saying what type of offender lives there. Then we might see the parents who have been lazy raising their kids actually pull their fingers out, and make an effort to keep their kids on the straight and narrow, because now they're being publicly shamed.

Or, option B. Hang em. Pretty sure rope is cheaper than bullets, because you can re-use the rope. If it's only a "minor" offence, just hang em by the balls rather than by the neck.

[Kiwi Civic]

I know its off topic but just thought I'd share how the public shaming option really does work.
On ANZAC day I was detailed to be the lead car at the Papatoetoe parade, which means leading the parade with my red/blue lights on, 2 minutes before the parade started I ended up catching a 14 year old burglar (this kid is a recidivist offender). Because we didn't have any spare cars the only option left to me was to cuff him and drove the whole parade route at 4km/h. I made him sit up straight with his cuffs in view and spent the entire 1.5km track telling him that every single person there was looking and everyone knew what he did.

His father ended up being part of the band so I waited till all the speeches were done and walked him through the crowd, holding the shoulder of his shirt so he didn't run and his shiny new bracelets on view for everyone too see.

He was so embarrassed and the youth aid guys can't do much with him, the public shaming really work.
To the best of my knowledge he has not offended since.

[Sarge]

Yeah, I've done the same with shoplifters at St Lukes shopping centre.

As for more general arming of South Auckland Police, unfortunately even the Commissioner of Police must consult with the current Government over the matter. This is exactly the same boat with perhaps why the tazers are being held up.

[Logger]

I agree with the shaming approach. Have the offenders wear a big sign stating the offence they have committed. I think it would work well on the younger ones as image is a big thing to them, and wearing a big sign saying "I stole a pack of cigarettes from a dairy" sure as shit isnt 'cool'.