Yet Another Intake Thread

[Vlad]

Hey Guys,

I know this has been covered before quite a bit however i did some searching and narrowed it down to two options for my DC2 SIR-G. What i want to know is which one will provide more (top end) power. I dont care much about noise or weight just basically which one will provide the best results.

Option 1) AEM Cold Air Intake Pipe + Apexi Power Intake Kit
Option 2) Stock Intake Box + Spoon Filter + Resonator Removed + Ducting

Which of these options would be better and if possible a reason why.

Thanks in advance.

Vlad

[CIVTEC]

For top end power, I believe option 1 would provide the better result.

As to why, in short - Due to length
A longer intake pipe will give a greater 'bump' at higher revs. At the sacrifice of some low down pep ofcourse.

[Vlad]

hmm, seems everyone else agrees. I just seemed to notice that everyone was recommending spoon w/o resonator for some reason... The stock intake system does seem a bit restrictive too..

[Mac]

It's a no brainer - AEM has been proven time and again to give the best gains for an off-the-shelf branded intake system

[Vlad]

True, I guess im gonna go pick up my AEM pipe then. Thanks for the help guys. Also while im here, where can i buy some joiners to connect the pipe to the TB... and those clamp rings too

[Shadow Sol]

im going to disagree - if this was the case why do so many top performing JDM race cars run the standard air box with spoon filter set up - including spoons own race cars - if the aem set up was so much better i think spoon would have made a similar system, honda spent alot on development and spoon just improved it.
i dont disagree that a well set up pod filter with air box and ducting will work, and AEM would give some results but when it comes down to it Mugen is seen as the best and spoons setup is normaaly considered second

[Mac]

Originally Posted by Vlad

True, I guess im gonna go pick up my AEM pipe then. Thanks for the help guys. Also while im here, where can i buy some joiners to connect the pipe to the TB... and those clamp rings too

They should come with the AEM intake new, otherwise Repco?

Originally Posted by Shadow Sol

im going to disagree - if this was the case why do so many top performing JDM race cars run the standard air box with spoon filter set up - including spoons own race cars - if the aem set up was so much better i think spoon would have made a similar system, honda spent alot on development and spoon just improved it.
i dont disagree that a well set up pod filter with air box and ducting will work, and AEM would give some results but when it comes down to it Mugen is seen as the best and spoons setup is normaaly considered second

Disagreeing because you believe it should be universal because it's so good isn't a strong argument. Spoon for example have different needs and goals to that of AEM. Their mantra is to create perfect driving machines, not the most powerful. The same argument could be applied with any intake set up - why doesn't Spoon or Mugen use ITB's exclusively?

*merged*

[Shadow Sol]

ITB's are only useful if you have the mod's to support them - cams, compression and internals to handle revs. while some vehicles have them from factory they arent full blown race set ups.

i'm not saying that a well set up pod filter with 3" piping and a cold air box with ducting isnt effective - this is in fact the system i use on both of my cars to some degree, and i am happy with the results - especially happy with the apexi power flow filter on my delsol.

i just dont think its fair to write off the spoon intake - the factory intake is very good already the exceptions are the reso box and factory filter - with these sorted and a spoon filter in place you have a well set up intake that sucks cold air through the factory designed intake path - minus the sound reducing reso box (thats what its there fore - also effects low) and with a higher flowing filter, on a stock block or lightly modded engine this would give just as good if not better results

[Mac]

Oh I wasn't writing it off, just between those two options the AEM wins. Didn't say anything about Spoon being bad.

[Vlad]

lol well now i dont know what to get, although i must agree with Mac, last time i checked Spoon stuff is mainly for endurance racing and they do have different goals...

http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/diy-custo...ghlight=airbox

Thats the one i was reffering to, all those people are saying that spoon is the best

[Vlad]

Did some more searching, apparently an open pod is bad, i should get a airbox...

[GDB]

are you getting cai?
only need a airbox if you have short ram

[SK1TZ- EF]

Forgive me, but isnt AEM US made, and teh SPOON MUGEN etc is more JDM sty??

just my thoughts, and seeing more AEM stuff in the US magazines etc

sam

[Horny_Devil]

a cheap short ram+filter and an airbox with ducting will work just aswell as a CAI like AEM u get the same cold air etc to the filter and u dont have to worry about sucking in water through the filter

its all much of a muchness really, go with what ur happy with, as theres not gonna be a huge difference in power between the 2 (aem makes more power due to sucking in cold air, so y cant u apply it ot other intake designs :wink: )

[Shadow Sol]

my short ram saved my mirage from hydrolicing last week when town flooded

[Vlad]

Rather than starting a new topic,

http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/carbon-fi...ht=pipe+carbon

Does anyone know where i can get these made up?

[CIVTEC]

The OP asked about Top end power, which is why I went with option 1.

Seeing as people are talking about other stuff, here's something I reckon would give great overall results.



^^ ph33r teh paintshop skillz, or lack of ...

The intake pipe would be long enough so as that you can position the filter roughly above where the hole in the bay is. It would be 3", tapering down to 2.5" or whatever the tb size is even and wrapped all the way from the ass of the filter down to the tb itself. The filter would be housed in a nice large box, and this box could be anything from the stock item, to a modified version of the stock item (i'm talking rangi styles - chopped up and enlarged standard box with smoothed and rounded internals) to a nice big 12x12" tin can you fa'b yourself up from a $5 piece of aly you picked up from the local scrap yard. The box would not be a fully sealed unit like some of the off the shelf JDM items. Instead, at the back of the filter, there'd be a 10-15mm or so gap, not sealed - to allow for movement and to let the box have a little somewhere to breathe from should the feed not be sufficient in certain random conditions. Anyways, you'd then utilise every part of the area under the hole and duct yourself a nice wee tunnel to the air inlet. Perhaps it's possible to grind/sand/shave out some of the hole aswell as make a larger than the usual round 3" 'feed' to the system itself.

I believe that not only would this style of system be a good 'mid-ground' in regard to length, but it'd be utilising as much cool air (or outside bay temps) as it can catch. The tapered intake pipe is used for reasons we all know but with regards to wrapping the pipe, can anyone confirm if this will actually act as a heat deterant to the intake charge or more of a heat trap if things heat up inside there ?

Being the budget prick that I am, I take it upon myself to build something based upon the principles of this fine masterpiece of a 'rangi styles' system. Heck I can't afford any of these uber JDM intakes, and I actually reckon if done right, this would give great results at a fraction of the cost of teh uber JDM items. As has been said many a time, a short ram combined with a nice box & and CAI does the trick just nicely. Makes sense to me.

Combine that shet with a coolant bypass for increased results too I guess. :wink:
I'm open to any suggestions (via PM or whatever as this is not my thread, lol) to the finer tuning points of this rangi system.

Whale penis' are so last year guys, home inginuity is where it's at for 07. Let 'Operation Yak Schlong' begin !

[chromies ea]

I use three different intake setups on my itr, the spoon setup, a CAI and a HAI.


I have tested all setups at the drags and the CIA kicks the spoons ass for top end power.. and i mean a huge difference in power, although the spoon setup does have the upper hand when it comes to mid range torque.

Go to NZKW and buy CAI, two peices so you can run short or long ram. the pipes are very light weight and 3" thick (not like the piddly 2.5" ones from redlineperformace)
Then get yourself a decent sized pod and you'll be getting that top end power for a very good price


John

[Pommy]

Man that Yack Shlong made me LOLZ, LMAO AND ROFL all at the same fuckin time hahaha

[Vlad]

Lol the yak shlong is great but i thought that the airbox was meant to be sealed to create vacuum? I have been doing some research and i figured that top end ain't everything. The reason i said it was because at one point i was very close to buying the J's Racing Intake but then i saw some dyno charts, at low end it rocked but anywhere the top it basically dies (due to turbulence if im not mistaken...) I figure whatever i get now i will need to rebuy later on when i get my new intake manifold, TB, etc. So for the mean time im going with a Simota Aeroform, cheap and nasty performance

[lifebeginsat5800rpm]

I have used both the aem CAI and and the spoon filter, in standard box with cold air feed setup, and although the aem sounded really great, the spoon setup feels a lot stronger IMO!!!!

[Dionysus]

Live somewhere colder. It will make more of a difference than your filter once you've got rid of the resonator.

[VTEC22]

Simota

Bang fo Buck :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[timmiblc]

Originally Posted by VTEC22

Simota

Bang fo Buck :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yep, for sure :thumbsup:

I had this on my CTR with an airbox until I changed to ITB's, very good value for money!

And the noise... :twisted:

[Vlad]

got my simota aeroform, i liked the civic one more so i installed that instead of the integra one
$160 and butt dyno likes it
all in all a good buy