camber-wheel aligning pg3

[95ITR]

traction bars are good to adjust caster to keep camber while cornering

[nemesisteg]

hmm true, anymore people out there with experience with them??

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by nemesisteg

hmm true, anymore people out there with experience with them??

as i said, i got told that by a ss2000 racer (BigAl), im pretty sure he knows his stuff

[tysonzane]

The traction bars can be used to adjust caster but not too much. If you dial too much in it causes binding against the arms and bushes etc and will just make the suspension really stiff at pivot points and just flog out the bushes.

You can however make very small adjustments and also make the caster equal on both sides which helps to create a balance (a car with perfect camber, toe and caster left to right feels awesome!). You can however get custom arms from that Aussie company called whiteline i think which isn't adjustable but just gives you .66 degree more and then you could perfect it with traction bars.

[Horny_Devil]

whiteline do a castor kit which has longer bolts and washers, which are used in the 2 piece front lower control arm, the more washers u use the more castor

[Ped Rac3r]

You can swap the the upper 'A' arms over (left to right, right to left) and that will give you some more caster which will give you more negative camber when you turn in, but wont effect the camber when the wheels are straight.

I tried it and I noticed a bit more front end grip when cornering.

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by Ped Rac3r

You can swap the the upper 'A' arms over (left to right, right to left) and that will give you some more caster which will give you more negative camber when you turn in, but wont effect the camber when the wheels are straight.

I tried it and I noticed a bit more front end grip when cornering.

search on HT about doing that

[mithere]

This is gonna sound REAL n00bish but why would you run different camber?
Wouldn't you want a flat wheel/tyre therefore getting the most grip or does it matter when you're cornering with tyre flex etc?

[Horny_Devil]

what happens when u corner? your car rolls to one side, and ong flat tires it makes it wear on the outside of the tire.

by running camber it allows the tires to be flat in the corners providing the most grip and contact patch

[b_series_power]

abit off topic but judd where are you geon to get your wheel alignment i need to get mine done

[nemesisteg]

dunno bro my car hasnt been out of the garage since february, doesnt look like heading out any time soon LOL ive gotta move in 2 weeks tho so guess i'll have to. im out in cambridge bro so i'll maybe check out some places around here, but i'll ring around and see if anyone has experience with setting up race cars etc

[Gudgen]

^^^^how is it youve done alot with your car and not know how to adjust toe or camber?

if a car still wears outside edges on the rear even with stiff suspension set up then a recommendation would be to increase toe in on the rear.

front camber : 2.5 degrees
front toe : 1.1mm
rear camber : 2.0 degrees
rear toe : -0.5mm

i found with toe out on front and toe in on rear the steering became lighter and more responsive, feeling like it is on rails. and a little tire tuck too.

[nemesisteg]

sorry dude just never had to do it before, didnt mean to disapoint you with my lack of wheel alligning knowledge

[Gudgen]

^^^^ bahahaha..lol.

me =

[b_series_power]

Originally Posted by nemesisteg

dunno bro my car hasnt been out of the garage since february, doesnt look like heading out any time soon LOL ive gotta move in 2 weeks tho so guess i'll have to. im out in cambridge bro so i'll maybe check out some places around here, but i'll ring around and see if anyone has experience with setting up race cars etc

cheers man im going to go have a ask around tomorrow

[Coupe-R]

The traction bars can be used to adjust caster but not too much. If you dial too much in it causes binding against the arms and bushes etc and will just make the suspension really stiff at pivot points and just flog out the bushes.

However using the washer trick on the A arms isn't AS bad.

About toe to reduce outside edge wear, this also has an effect on wear in a straight line, and an effect on high speed stability, snap oversteer and all the rest.
So you gotta dial in whats best for you.

I think I run a simple 0 for toe all round, and -2.2 on all 4.
I wear the outside edge of the rears so maybe I should look into that a little more.

[nemesisteg]

right going to go get a wheel alignment done tomoro, any ideas on the toe in/out?? ive seen on here some run 0 front and rear some run toe out on the front and bit of toe in on the rear, any other experience anyone wants to share??

[remoer]

Originally Posted by Gudgen

^^^^how is it youve done alot with your car and not know how to adjust toe or camber?

if a car still wears outside edges on the rear even with stiff suspension set up then a recommendation would be to increase toe in on the rear.

front camber : 2.5 degrees
front toe : 1.1mm
rear camber : 2.0 degrees
rear toe : -0.5mm

i found with toe out on front and toe in on rear the steering became lighter and more responsive, feeling like it is on rails. and a little tire tuck too.

wow thats a bit aggressive on the camber and toe for a dd. i did:

front camber : 1.5 degrees
front toe : 0mm
rear camber : 0.5 degrees
rear toe : -0.5mm

but then again my car was droped 1.75" front and rear. 6kg/F & 4kg/R springs with a 21mm/F sway bar and 14mm/R sway bar. front, rear strut bars and a c-pillar bar. but hey it was a DD.

[nemesisteg]

well i went for the alignment today and it is now set at:
camber front -4.4
camber rear -4
toe front +1.0mm
toe rear -0.6mm

then something really weird happened.. aprox 4 hours later i brought a new set of adjustable suspension...

[BTLF3D]

hmmm too much camber???

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by BTLF3D

hmmm too much camber???

thats what i thought too

[nemesisteg]

maybe i can make the change while im in there changing the suspension
logans itr ran -5 front -4 rear, cant be a bad thing

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by nemesisteg

maybe i can make the change while im in there changing the suspension
logans itr ran -5 front -4 rear, cant be a bad thing

no it was -4 and -3

[nemesisteg]

no drama, ive got to do it all again now anyways. not exactly planned but was impossible to say no to

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by nemesisteg

no drama, ive got to do it all again now anyways. not exactly planned but was impossible to say no to

hmm then you just payed for 2 alignments... no?