bilstein vs. koni's

[vti]

what ones do you preffer? i want them to be able to with stand the odd track day, having a stiff road car doesnt bother me but the damper adjusting seems very appealing to me


i have been quoted a good price of $900 for a set of self adjusting bilsteins minus springs

but

koni's plus springs seem to go cheaper say around the $500 mark

by the way these are for my eg with a h22a in it

please only vote if you run or have run either both or one of these sets

[SLOTEG]

i personally run koni yellow damper and circlip adjustable shocks with koni yellows. they are set up on almost as firm as possible. the ride is firm but not jarring or harsh, the car goes over normal road bumps easy as, and also handles twisty roads awesomely
as far as im concerned koni yellows and neuspeed race springs are the best bang for buck street/odd track day setup

+1 vote for the konis

[mr.sky]

Koni + neuspeed race is a great combo. Had it in my eg6 for a couple of years and found the range between soft and hard excellent. Only downside is the neuspeeds are a progressive spring, which you might find a bit unsettling in fast corners with changes of direction.

For street use I'd go as far to say there isn't a better combo (for a reasonable price of course)

[Snoozin]

I roll Koni's and Neuspeed's in the ITR too, so far I'm pretty stoked with the setup... the range of damping adjustment is very good on the Koni's, however I do know of more than a few people who have experienced reliability issues with them, mostly with the adjusters seizing. With the Neuspeed's, the ride is definitely firm, but ease the damping back and it's very compliant and tolerable on long distance trips.

That said, they're an easily (and by easily I mean there is plenty of workshops able to do it/sort it for you) rebuildable shock...

I've also run Bilsteins in my old Alfa, and cannot speak highly enough of them as well... the only downside of course when compared to the Koni's being the lack of damper adjustment... but if you or your suspension man know their stuff then you can have them valved to suit your spring rate with no issues! From memory they came in marginally cheaper than Koni's when I was buying. They're a good STRONG shock as well which is nice on our roads.

To put it in a nutshell... it's only going to come down to whether or not you see easy adjustment as a plus!

[doo0T!doo0T!]

I havn't voted for either because I think they are very even.
Your on the right track though and have identified in my opinion the two best options.
Either one you go with you have good results with, the koni is great for it's adaptability i.e you can easily change the attitude of the car for different events where the bilstien you are stuck with the valve type originally fitted.
However the bilsteins are reknown for their reliability I seen sets fitted to the like of EF's and series 2 golfs etc which have been on the car for 100,000+k's! without trouble.

I only went koni over bilstein as I had a staff hook up at stocks and I could get a fully custom made short-stroke set-up exactly how I wanted it for the same price as an off the shelf bilstein.

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

it's only going to come down to whether or not you see easy adjustment as a plus!

that;s pretty much it - I think its generally perceived that Bilstein are the better item but don't have the external adjustment ability.....

[vti]

ye the adjustability of the koni seems more appealing but the strength of bilstein also seem better

[Tec' Wingz]

If you're only considering doing the odd track day then reliability shouldn't be a problem. Haven't heard too many people blowing their koni's yet. But the koni/neuspeed combo really is a very good setup. However with that said, I've had my koni's set on hardest from day 1 and haven't touched it since so I don't think the adjustability thing of the Koni's are that important

[vti]

i cant find anyone selling koni's specially koni's with neuspeeds if i find some resonably priced ill take em a.s.a.p

[Matty]

IMHO they're much of a muchness. I've owned Konis almost exclusively for the past 12 years or so and never had an issue with them. I'd be quite happy owning Bilsteins too though, I have nothing against them.

Strange you can't find anyone selling them, I've never had a problem finding them. FBI can get you some Neuspeeds.

[SLOTEG]

Originally Posted by Matty

Strange you can't find anyone selling them, I've never had a problem finding them. FBI can get you some Neuspeeds.

you just need to know where to look and who to ask :wink:
picked up my set 2 weeks ago for an awesome deal

[vti]

i have 1100 for tyres and suspension loking at gettign the dz101's that are for sale and sepending the rest on sus. and i thought i should be able to get some konis for $700ish no??

the only places i know to look are here and tard me but no luck if any of you will sell yours let me know!! PLEASE

how would the daiyama IIE-G's hand a few track days? would rather non coilover but Twincamr2's got some pretty cheap just need lca's

[SLOTEG]

you will have to cert for the coilovers remember...
couple of the family run that suspension, im sure they will chime in shortly

[vti]

yea i know i will need cert but i cn just remove them and put old ones bck in for daily driving

[tianporn]

Go hit up George Stocks. I think they are the NZ distributors of Koni? Not cheap though. I got a quote for some Koni yellows and it was over $250+GST per corner

[vti]

ye too expensive

[Tec' Wingz]

Originally Posted by vti

yea i know i will need cert but i cn just remove them and put old ones bck in for daily driving

That could make your track day a tad expensive unless you work at a tyre place. After changing anything that involves unbolting your suspension you should really get a wheel alignment afterwards. If you were really to go down the coilover track I suggest you save and get some decent ones, get it certed and be done with it. Do it once do it right or don't do it at all.

[doo0T!doo0T!]

I once did a poll just like this once and it came out 50/50, seems peoples opinions may have changed since then.
http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/bilstein-...=koni+bilstein

Theres some more here..
http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/konis-or-...=koni+bilstein

[turbozxi]

I have koni yellows and nuespeed race springs I would NEVER say its a good combo. Infact its a pain in the arse. Theres nothing wrong with the Koni shocks though imo.

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

I think the DA may be the exception to the rule.

On EG/DC/EK - its perfect

[LOWDWN]

i had koni sports... (yellow's or what you all call em) in ek

damper on full hard, nuespeed race, still soft, there like a bilstistein in a gt-b legacy

there ok if you want replacment, but vtnz asked for a cert for them as they can be adjusted still (differant testers opinion)

if you were goin to go to the effort of a cert id pay the extra for full coilovers hands down

just throwing the idea out there