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Old 27th January 2008, 12:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tyre's Tucking

Does everyone who tyres tuck have the same annoyances as me ie. rubbing guards when turning + a slight bump in road, slicing up tyres etc. I've had the fronts and back lipped and flared a bit too.

How do these guys manage


















Just want some comfort in knowing I'm not alone ops:
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Old 27th January 2008, 01:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 27th January 2008, 06:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the correct wheel offset and tyre size will make a huge difference :wink:
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Old 27th January 2008, 06:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
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the correct wheel offset and tyre size will make a huge difference :wink:
x2

most of the time the only thing that is a problem is the inner guards on the front
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Old 27th January 2008, 07:45 AM   #5 (permalink)
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also a nice sturdy suspension setup, when i moved to invercargill a long time ago with all my worldy possesions in the back of my integra you could only fit a fingernail between rear wheel arch and tyre, never rubbed once
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With the correct offset wheels as you lower the car they tuck in and come clear of the wheel arches.

Factory DC2 wheels for example will not hit in the front or the rear, even if the car is dropped right to the ground.

If you were driving around with it really really low you would probably want to go with a higher than factory offset and then a camber correction kit in order to keep at least some of your suspension geometry right.
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Old 27th January 2008, 08:30 AM   #7 (permalink)
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out of all those guys, Hybrid_H's is the only one "tire tucking.!"



but if your got troubles with tyres getting sliced up, you have either wrong wrong offset, or just too wide of tyre.
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Old 27th January 2008, 08:56 AM   #8 (permalink)
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On the way to trackday on friday I had a boot full of stuff and a car full of people, the back was tucking basically all of the tyre.

On 17x7" +42 it rubbed a fair bit on the big bumps all the way to taupo, so on the way home I just left my standard 16" +50 Type R wheels on and though it still rubbed, not quite so bad.
Im going to fiddle with the damper rate on t\my back shocks, that should fix it.
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Old 27th January 2008, 09:37 AM   #9 (permalink)
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out of all those guys, Hybrid_H's is the only one "tire tucking.!"
Adrian's DC and the red EG from tga are too, Hater

Yeah Wingit, try adjusting your rear dampers, it should slow down the oscilation a little when you go over bumps, whether it would be enough you can only try. Otherwise you can either raise it up (i'm guessing by the pic's, you dont want to) or try a harder rate spring.

*pretty sure Adrians DC is caged, so he doesn't have the option of having 3 people and a full boot of stuff to load up the back :wink:
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pfft, barely, ok. add adrian's DC. just coz its a race car
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Old 27th January 2008, 09:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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ronnies DC looks like its tucking a lil
red eg only at the front
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Old 27th January 2008, 10:28 AM   #12 (permalink)
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As mentioned before; correct offset + camber + correct tire size = no worries.. maybe rubs on full lock some times but the lip and exhaust scraping (or hitting cats eyes ops is more of an issue!
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So with the correct offset if the yellow DC2 were to turn like it is and hit a bump in the road it wouldnt push the tyre which is milimeters from the guard into it?

The wheels I got are 17x7 +40 on a crx and im tucking thiiiis much



although now that I see the photo it barely looks like its tucking at all, and this is on d2's at there lowest!

It doesnt seem to rub at the back since I had the guards lipped, I'm just concerned about the front, because yeah, when I turn the wheels the tyre looks real close the the guard...

excuse the shitty matte black...should be painted soon.
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I think you will find that Tuckin a EF CRX/Civic is fairly hard to do...
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Old 27th January 2008, 11:45 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The guards on EFs seem to be pretty big. I have a 50mm (+/- 5mm) drop from my Neuspeeds, the car has a pretty aggressive stance; but I still have a 1.5-2 finger gap in my guards (springs have settled a bit after the photos in my profile). With similar suspension, a mates old DA had half a finger gap, and another mates EK was just tucking.
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I think you will find that Tuckin a EF CRX/Civic is fairly hard to do...
I'll get some pic's of my cousin's EF9 for you
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although now that I see the photo it barely looks like its tucking at all, and this is on d2's at there lowest!

It doesnt seem to rub at the back since I had the guards lipped, I'm just concerned about the front, because yeah, when I turn the wheels the tyre looks real close the the guard...

excuse the shitty matte black...should be painted soon.
Just man up and use a jack handle to roll the guards, if your really fussy use a proper guard flarer and heat it up to save your paint..

Matt black cars deserve nothing more than a rubber mallet anyways
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I think you will find that Tuckin a EF CRX/Civic is fairly hard to do...
I'll get some pic's of my cousin's EF9 for you
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Just man up and use a jack handle to roll the guards

Already rolled and flared about 5mm, cant flare much more without pulling the metal away from somewhere else...

I'm not to worried about it, seems to be right, mainly just wanted to hear from others
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Sorry, couldnt resist. Not a civic, but hey 8)

Still trying to find an extra 15mm in the rear. Just need to rearrange a few things here and there

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So with the correct offset if the yellow DC2 were to turn like it is and hit a bump in the road it wouldnt push the tyre which is milimeters from the guard into it?

The wheels I got are 17x7 +40
+45 offset would be better. Are the tyres 205/40/17?
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+45 offset would be better. Are the tyres 205/40/17?
yep

my old 14's were +38 but they were obviously slimmer, only had 195's
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I think you will find that Tuckin a EF CRX/Civic is fairly hard to do...
I'll get some pic's of my cousin's EF9 for you

pics.



there are a few in NZ I've seen tucking, but not alot,... US guys have played with a few setups and have good results
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Old 27th January 2008, 05:34 PM   #25 (permalink)
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tire and wheel size is an obvious

get a knife to cut your inner guard liners up

and dont be shy with a hammer or grinder :twisted:

for the front you'll only rub on the plastic liner and the metal seem at the top of the guards (which is whats cutting your tires)

If you got a desent setup it wont be too bouncy. you get used to it eventually..
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