Currect set up vs Buddyclub N+ coilovers vs Omni-Power

[nva2nd]

Hey guys.


Even though my current set up is fine ive got the following questions:

I would like to get adjustables.

1. Are Buddyclub N+ coilovers better then Omni-power

2. From H-T Ive gathered that my current koni/neuspeeds seem to be better then Omni-power most time they say there very harsh? Im looking at Antz on this one

3. If I go to Buddyclub N+ coilovers is there going to be any improvements in handling? Or am I only gaining the adjustment.

4. From looking at Lance car with the N+ you cant slam them I know but I dont care about that.


Cheers guys.

[americ_ian]

i heard spoon/koni was better

swap?

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

the main difference you are looking at is going from a progressive rate spring to a linear rate spring.

For street - progressive is better.

For street and strip compromise - progressive is better.

But for full on curcuit then a "coilover" linear rate spring is better.

Progressive when going around corners take a while to settle before firming up with the lower part of the spring. This reduces response in steering and generally increases weigh shift (ARGGH).

The buddyclub N+ spec would probably be the better option I would say. Will not be comfortable around town though - that is for sure.

[nva2nd]

Originally Posted by americ_ian

i heard spoon/koni was better

swap?

Nah sorry got a buyier for them interested.

[doo0T!doo0T!]

I agree with adam, progressives are nicer on the road but linear rate arn't always harsh, just dont over spring the car like people tend to do with linear rate coils.
I run linear rate 400 lb's in the front and 250 lb's in the back (over koni's)and with the damping set to soft the ride is very comfortable (when i say comfortable i dont mean Lexus comfortable but it's certainly not unpleasant) with no crashing on bumps + potholes or wheel-hop or anything silly like that.
On firm it's a different story. Very solid and very responsive. On solid I can feel the tyre tread load up and un-load on the track through corners, the input is extreemly direct, and would not be the same with a progressive spring or a softer shock taking out the feedback.

Remember it's not a 1400kg drifter it's a little light honda, keep your spring rates down at a firm but still practical level and use your adjustable damping to firm it up further if you need to.

If your Koni's are already adjustable externally you have a pretty good base to work with, if you want them more aggressive you can get them re-valved, on the highest setting mine are basically solid on the lowest they are like stock shocks.
Why do you want Buddyclubs over your Koni's anyway? You'd be loosing out in my opinion. Buddy club just put their flash name on other people shit and in this case it's not a major manufacturer like showa etc.
if you want them for the name then sweet as but if you want them as a serious performance part you'd be much better off putting your coin elsewhere.
I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole but thats just me. *flame suit on*


edit* and as far as slammage goes, thats all in your spring length and sleeve/platform mounting position on the koni's, with a bit of shortnening they will slam right till your upper arms nearly hit the inner gaurds if thats what you're into

[nva2nd]

Thanks for your input Mike.

As I said I dont want it for slammage just want it for driving around so in turn raise it up for street.

Then make it at the right height if I want to go to a track/drag day.

From the sounds of it my set up at the moment is fine and I wont improve anything.

Cheers guys this is all I needed.

Ill stick with what Ive got as the height not stupid low and is high enough to get over most speed bumps.

[americ_ian]

Originally Posted by nva2nd

Thanks for your input Mike.

As I said I dont want it for slammage just want it for driving around so in turn raise it up for street.

Then make it at the right height if I want to go to a track/drag day.

From the sounds of it my set up at the moment is fine and I wont improve anything.

Cheers guys this is all I needed.

Ill stick with what Ive got as the height not stupid low and is high enough to get over most speed bumps.

its perfect.... just add some camber arms for the track mah mang and try some semi slicks!

[doo0T!doo0T!]

Originally Posted by nva2nd

Thanks for your input Mike.

As I said I dont want it for slammage just want it for driving around so in turn raise it up for street.

Then make it at the right height if I want to go to a track/drag day.

If you want height adjustment, koni sell a sleeve to use with the shock which sits on circlips like with a Bilstein. You just have to use a shorter spring to get it sitting midway through the adjustment.
Here's a pic showing where mine sit on the sleeves with a ride height that puts the tire just level with the gaurd. Bear in mind my shock bodies have been shortened and so has the shaft so if your Koni's are stock lengths it'll be a little different.
There is a lot of adjustment left on the sleeve to sack it right the fuck out if I want to

[BLAZED_RACER]

how much is a setup like that worth?!

you probably have race spec srings etc, im just after something like that for daily.!

[fiasco]

Speedfactor do a Custom shortened Bilsteing arrangement with custom springs for a really good price. Give them a crack. It will be less than Buddy clubs by any means anyway and you're getting a set up designed for NZ copnditions.

[doo0T!doo0T!]

Originally Posted by BLAZED_RACER

how much is a setup like that worth?!

you probably have race spec srings etc, im just after something like that for daily.!

I cant remember retail sorry, I know it wasn't cheap though! i got it at staff price because my uncle was working at Stocks at the time and he got on well with Edgar and Russel.

Yeah I'm using King-racing, just because thats what stocks recommended, they look the same as normal kings but apparently they come in a much more detailed range of diameters, lengths and pressures.
Despite the fact that they are a racing spring doesn't mean they are too hard for the road, I kept them at sensible rates, 400 front 250 rear, so it would allow for a bit of movement in the shock. (no point in spending the coin on shocks if your springs are so hard you never get to use the travel)
My point being they ride a lot better on the road than my KYB potenzas did with spoon springs and I'm serious about that, the ride is way better. I wouldn't hesitate running them in a daily, no clunking, no crashing out on bumps and no sore kidneys after a drive

Originally Posted by fiasco

Speedfactor do a Custom shortened Bilsteing arrangement with custom springs for a really good price. Give them a crack. It will be less than Buddy clubs by any means anyway and you're getting a set up designed for NZ copnditions.

Good idea, bilstein FTW. You can get them valved to suit your driving style but they do lack external adjustment. What they loose out on there they make up for in durability.
The only reason I went Koni over Bilstein was I got a much better deal at Stocks.