Uncaptiveness =)

Boostin It · 8th August 2006, 06:46 PM

Hey guys out there with adjustables,

my teins in the back of my 5th gen bb6 prelude are wound down as low as they go... Now, they still got the keepers in. thing is jack up the car n try wobble the springs and they are definately seem to be REALLY captive. Now if I take those keepers out, obviously will go lower, but chances of being uncaptive? Need help as want to go lower but still captive.

pic of approx height at the moment:

thanks

Moclov · 8th August 2006, 07:03 PM

Why go lower?

That looks mint as it is! Personally I think lower will look worse...

Slammmed · 8th August 2006, 07:06 PM

if you take the rear keepers out, the car will definatly sit lower. however the springs will not be captive and may give you an uncomfy ride

Hayce · 8th August 2006, 07:27 PM

^^ not neccesarily(sp) true for all adjustables...
I suggest the suck it and see method.

DrRubber · 8th August 2006, 07:56 PM

um...put bigger wheels on it......... 8) 8)

Moclov · 8th August 2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badcf4

um...put bigger wheels on it......... 8) 8)

That would achieve nothing unless he increased the rolling radius, which would make the wheels tuck further under the guard, but it'd also raise the car, screw the handling and the speedo would read wrong

DrRubber · 8th August 2006, 08:29 PM

correct but bigger wheels will provide the illusion that the car is lower......

VTEC22 · 8th August 2006, 09:31 PM

Bigger wheels will make the wheels look more in the gaurd but will make the car overall (body) high

REV-NC · 8th August 2006, 11:38 PM

You can always get your shocks shortend if your in Auckland ADL in Mt roskil do them at $45incl per shock just take the shock and the spring and they will shorten it to suite.

Horny_Devil · 9th August 2006, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REV-NC

You can always get your shocks shortend if your in Auckland ADL in Mt roskil do them at $45incl per shock just take the shock and the spring and they will shorten it to suite.

its got nothing to do with that

Hayce · 9th August 2006, 08:08 AM

^?

Yeah it does. Shortening the shock will make captive a shorter spring.

Horny_Devil · 9th August 2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayce

^?

Yeah it does. Shortening the shock will make captive a shorter spring.

only if it at the bottom of its stroke

Hayce · 9th August 2006, 08:17 AM

yeah which it must be for it not to be captive other wise the shock would "stroke down" as far as the spring would let it.

Horny_Devil · 9th August 2006, 08:25 AM

ahhh read the top post he hasnt done it yet he just wants to know if it will still be captive.

u need to take them out and try as i doubt noone will know. if u do take them out and find its uncaptive, then do what hayce was saying and get the shocks shortened.

wayne u dont need to go any lower anyways

notorious1_85 · 9th August 2006, 08:57 AM

SACK it eow... it aint low enough!

and if it turns out it isnt captive ... well we do hayces trick hehe

Boostin It · 9th August 2006, 03:34 PM

lol take a day off work on friday n gimme a hand then 8) . ok thanks guys, so hayce. you reckon urethane the springs to the lower locking nuts will fool teh wof boys ?

0 SIR 0 · 9th August 2006, 04:24 PM

Ai Sorry just want to ask , Where can i buy a Good Keeper Spring? i need a pair for my Rear as well

Cheerssss

DrRubber · 9th August 2006, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTEC22

Bigger wheels will make the wheels look more in the gaurd but will make the car overall (body) high

um no......sorry brutha but if you keep the same od (overall diameter)
then its not going to sit any higher off the ground

ie:

thats going from 19's to 20's no extra suspension mods and just using the correct upsize tyre

Hayce · 9th August 2006, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boostin It

lol take a day off work on friday n gimme a hand then 8) . ok thanks guys, so hayce. you reckon urethane the springs to the lower locking nuts will fool teh wof boys ?

Haha umm you could try it I guess but No I would hope they would spot that one, besides your cars too nice for that sort of treatment

Boostin It · 9th August 2006, 04:43 PM

cheers hayce :thumbsup: your civics phat!! hrmm might jsut have to save up and get bilsteins adjustables put in.. my bilsteins up the front can go way lower and still captive!!! 8O

Integrated4Life · 9th August 2006, 06:23 PM

I changed my tyres from 195/50/15 to 195/55/15 and raised my car 2cm!! shit

Wayne, your car's height is nice just the way it is, if you lower the back it'll just look wierd or some south auckland car.

But up to u

DrRubber · 9th August 2006, 07:04 PM

Quote:

I changed my tyres from 195/50/15 to 195/55/15 and raised my car 2cm!! shit

thats because the profile of the tyre (the 50 and then 55) is a percentage of the tyres width........

the 195/55/15 should be about 60mm taller than the 195/50/15
give or take a few mm dependant on the manufacturer....
therefore raising your car by half that amount !!!
had you used a tyre for example....215/45/15 (yes i know that is a non existant tyre size) then it would have sat at the same height......

americ_ian · 9th August 2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badcf4

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTEC22

Bigger wheels will make the wheels look more in the gaurd but will make the car overall (body) high

um no......sorry brutha but if you keep the same od (overall diameter)
then its not going to sit any higher off the ground

luke was talking about wheels he has used
215/35 18 is a bigger wheel/tyre than a 195/50 15

Integrated4Life · 9th August 2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badcf4

Quote:

I changed my tyres from 195/50/15 to 195/55/15 and raised my car 2cm!! shit

thats because the profile of the tyre (the 50 and then 55) is a percentage of the tyres width........

the 195/55/15 should be about 60mm taller than the 195/50/15
give or take a few mm dependant on the manufacturer....
therefore raising your car by half that amount !!!
had you used a tyre for example....215/45/15 (yes i know that is a non existant tyre size) then it would have sat at the same height......

Yea i know that, just telling my story. I thought it would raise it more like 1cm. My bad calculations, but then i did close the gap between the tyre and my guards.

Still..i regret that and i should have got 205/50/15

DrRubber · 9th August 2006, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Yea i know that, just telling my story. I thought it would raise it more like 1cm. My bad calculations, but then i did close the gap between the tyre and my guards.

Quote:

luke was talking about wheels he has used
215/35 18 is a bigger wheel/tyre than a 195/50 15

read the posts...was having two different conversations...luke didnt talk about tyre size...however daniel was talkin bout his 195/50/15's

:wink: :wink:

8th August 2006, 06:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Boostin It Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,771 Location: Auckland	Uncaptiveness =) Hey guys out there with adjustables, my teins in the back of my 5th gen bb6 prelude are wound down as low as they go... Now, they still got the keepers in. thing is jack up the car n try wobble the springs and they are definately seem to be REALLY captive. Now if I take those keepers out, obviously will go lower, but chances of being uncaptive? Need help as want to go lower but still captive. pic of approx height at the moment: thanks __________________ 1997 Prelude SiR - 2.2 litres of n/a dohc vtec goodness 8)

8th August 2006, 07:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Moclov Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,654 Location: Auckland	Why go lower? That looks mint as it is! Personally I think lower will look worse... __________________ Nuff said.

8th August 2006, 07:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
Slammmed Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,383 Location: Auckland	if you take the rear keepers out, the car will definatly sit lower. however the springs will not be captive and may give you an uncomfy ride __________________ Poor uni student trying to build a weapon! Watch this space /forum/members/slammmed.html

8th August 2006, 07:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hayce Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,035 Location: Hamilton	^^ not neccesarily(sp) true for all adjustables... I suggest the suck it and see method. __________________ ....................................EK molester!..................gtrefinishers

8th August 2006, 07:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
DrRubber Senior Member 18,000rpm+ Honda F1! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10,678 Location: Auckland	um...put bigger wheels on it......... 8) 8) __________________ Why do I need to comment on Robbie failing.......robbie is the grand master of fail

8th August 2006, 08:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
DrRubber Senior Member 18,000rpm+ Honda F1! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10,678 Location: Auckland	correct but bigger wheels will provide the illusion that the car is lower...... __________________ Why do I need to comment on Robbie failing.......robbie is the grand master of fail

8th August 2006, 09:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
VTEC22 Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,181 Location: Hamilton	Bigger wheels will make the wheels look more in the gaurd but will make the car overall (body) high __________________ Wong Beysest 2009 Wok and tuck specialists

8th August 2006, 11:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
REV-NC Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57	You can always get your shocks shortend if your in Auckland ADL in Mt roskil do them at $45incl per shock just take the shock and the spring and they will shorten it to suite.

9th August 2006, 08:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Hayce Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,035 Location: Hamilton	^? Yeah it does. Shortening the shock will make captive a shorter spring. __________________ ....................................EK molester!..................gtrefinishers

9th August 2006, 08:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
Hayce Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,035 Location: Hamilton	yeah which it must be for it not to be captive other wise the shock would "stroke down" as far as the spring would let it. __________________ ....................................EK molester!..................gtrefinishers

9th August 2006, 08:25 AM	#14 (permalink)
Horny_Devil Senior Member 18,000rpm+ Honda F1! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,498 Location: Auckland	ahhh read the top post he hasnt done it yet he just wants to know if it will still be captive. u need to take them out and try as i doubt noone will know. if u do take them out and find its uncaptive, then do what hayce was saying and get the shocks shortened. wayne u dont need to go any lower anyways __________________ D Series Guru My Profile - My Website - My Build Thread V2.0

9th August 2006, 08:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
notorious1_85 Senior Member 5,000rpm (VTEC Power!) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,108 Location: Auckland	SACK it eow... it aint low enough! and if it turns out it isnt captive ... well we do hayces trick hehe __________________ Project EJ #711 Black Hawk http://profiles.nzhondas.com/profile.php?id=1744

9th August 2006, 03:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
Boostin It Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,771 Location: Auckland	lol take a day off work on friday n gimme a hand then 8) . ok thanks guys, so hayce. you reckon urethane the springs to the lower locking nuts will fool teh wof boys ? __________________ 1997 Prelude SiR - 2.2 litres of n/a dohc vtec goodness 8)

9th August 2006, 04:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
0 SIR 0 Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag) Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 477	Ai Sorry just want to ask , Where can i buy a Good Keeper Spring? i need a pair for my Rear as well Cheerssss __________________ 0 SIR 0 reborn You Rev the engine toward 8000rpm and smile because you know there's only one place you could possibly be. Think Different : VTEC ex: Civic VTI-S / S13 / Civic EK SIR / 180sx face Lift

9th August 2006, 04:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
Boostin It Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,771 Location: Auckland	cheers hayce :thumbsup: your civics phat!! hrmm might jsut have to save up and get bilsteins adjustables put in.. my bilsteins up the front can go way lower and still captive!!! 8O __________________ 1997 Prelude SiR - 2.2 litres of n/a dohc vtec goodness 8)

9th August 2006, 06:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
Integrated4Life Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,385 Location: Auckland	I changed my tyres from 195/50/15 to 195/55/15 and raised my car 2cm!! shit Wayne, your car's height is nice just the way it is, if you lower the back it'll just look wierd or some south auckland car. But up to u

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