why go for such small wheels? (honest answers only)

[mithere]

sirwags_np Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:13 pm

4,000rpm (Taxi Drag)

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Location: New Plymouth
igor wrote:
sirwags_np wrote:

does anyone even consider the braking effect different wheels have?

a open 5 spoke 17" can allow for better airflow around the brakes than a factory wheel, promoting a safer vehicle. No use having all that performance if ya cant stop



Why mention circuit racers at all when as you said in your first post...


sirwags_np wrote:

i know some of you will say "lightweight" "improve performance" etc, but most people are doing up "street cars" not drag/curcuit cars.



And when 'most' cars are being done up for street use, then factory wheels could well provide adequate brake cooling. And if they do not, maybe you should be seriously thinking about your style of driving and the speed you do it at.

Speaking of circuit use though...


sirwags_np wrote:

If you circuit racers were serious, brake upgrades would be mandatory, which in effect would mean the minimum wheel size would change along with the bigger brake rotors.



Did you even think about the extra flywheel effect that larger diameter brake discs will have on the handling of the car, not to mention the increase in unsprung weight and thats penalties too?

What about the effectiveness of the standard sized brake discs that have been grooved and/or cross drilled and run with racing-grade brake pads?

What about the fact that a 'serious circuit racer' WILL strip any and all unecessary parts out of their car to reduce it's weight?

What about multi-piston calipers? Ie upgrading from a 2-pot to a 4-pot caliper. This gives a great increase in braking performance as more of the pad is forced against the disc, and harder.

In fact, you would be surprised to learn Mr 'Everyone-must-have-big-wheels-to-race' that the best-handling and most effective short/medium race wheel and brake package for a Mini is in fact the 7.5" disc brakes (standard size for Mini Cooper S and GT) and 10" wheels (which were the original design spec for the Mini).

Bigger brake rotors aren't the be-all and end-all of performance/racing brakes, neither are bigger wheels.

The door is that way, don't let it hit you on the arse on the way out.



hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as i walk past you faggot.

personal experiance with curciut cars shows that for a 300kw atfw civic needed such big brakes that he then required a minimum 17" wheel to clear.....

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

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dont hate on someone cause they drive a different kinda car to you

You own a rotary, do you? In my experience and opinion, you typically see really rough looking fuckers driving around in a bridgeport. And typically, younger girls and everyone knows with the hormone confusion of the teens, they mistake silly, openly aggressive and Woodstock-drinking "bad boys" for men. Then these otherwise nice girls grow up and realise that these "bad boys" aren't really men and must have some major self-esteem issue because they have to come up with immature comments like "don't let my fist hit your face" because they got embarrassed. Of course, some of these girls don't grow up and do stick around with munters like you but I'd be willing to say that the majority of girls really don't care about cars in the slightest and would much rather be with a guy that doesn't have small poppy syndrome... like the NZ Honda crowd We're completely comfortable in our Hondality 8)

Would you prefer a confused teenage girl pegging you for your car (and probably trying to get into your mates as well) for lets say.... 4 years of your life... or a far hotter, more stylish and intelligent woman wanting you for ALL the RIGHT reasons for a far longer period?

And didn't you just contradict your signature? "dont hate on someone just cause they drive a different car to you" playAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?

[g_munky]

well said :!:

[NGHTYGIRL]

i have 15" on my car cos thats what it come with and they are sooo light!

[David R]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

the 300 kw civic was built by brent lander, it is blue, and was tuned by speedfactor in tauranga. it is also pictured in the add for the s2000 race series. the customer came to me after he did his brake upgrade and then found out he couldnt fit his 16"s.

So you're saying he would have run the 16's if he could fit them??

[xsiv]

i run 17" wheels my car stil excelartes fast

[TakeiTeg]

Originally Posted by VTEC22

Whats wrong with big rims again??? I dont quite understand???


I rock 18s because i was young and wanted to be a baller

You baller, you player hater of the year.

respkt.

[xanctus]

I like 17" cause my 16" looks so small for my Wagon. However, no more than 17" in my personal opinion, because of the fact that we have to drive more carefully and the price of the tyres itself.

[xanctus]

oh 1 more thing...I always love OEM look so yeah, try to go with OEM for me hehehe

[DoggNZ]

Ahhh...personal attacks...the last resort of the truly bummed out.

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

You say this and yet your sig says...

"don't hate on someone cause they drive a different car to you" :?:

This thread is

[Trivium]

Sir Wags - you my friend are too stupid to deserve this thread being in Hall of LOL

[chris_P]

this thread is crack up, sirwags just go drink some Haterade

[Ignition22]

heh, somehow this seems to be a common attitude amongst wheel sellers

I run smaller lighter mags the same reason i run a 13" Focal K2 Power sub over chromed up audiobahn 15"s.

Isnt it obvious? why would people spend $$$ on suspension, tires, exhaust, tuning and then cheuck big heavy chromes on? Wheels might aswell look good and work well.

big chrome style comes and goes but it never stays long

[PH4T SI]

Originally Posted by chris_P

this thread is crack up, sirwags just go drink some Haterade

[[QUIKdc2]]

Originally Posted by Bananaman

Could have choosen some different mags

*Runs out to car to put the steelies back on*

This thread is fuckin funny.

LOL those are 20's, 17s or 16s would look alrite

[cha siu]

Buy a rotor

[berman]

You actually have no idea about wheels, tyres, or brakes do you, And you run a tyre shop? I feel sorry for New Plymouth's transport.

Please leave the car scene.

[xryanx]

although i run 17's (which i only run coz i got them super cheap) i agree with everyone else. 15 & 16 inch FTW. A superpowered FD can have 18's tho.

Apart from that

[sirwags_np]

Originally Posted by berman

You actually have no idea about wheels, tyres, or brakes do you, And you run a tyre shop? I feel sorry for New Plymouth's transport.

Please leave the car scene.

actually i have plenty of knowledge on automotive products.

i find most people in new plymouth that run race tyres base their rim choice on available tyres for thier car, or what clears thier brakes.

i just fail to fully understand why on a street car people will spend $1000 on a 15" wheel and tyre package when for another $200 you can get entry level 17"s and tyres.

the available styles in 15/16" in new plymouth is dismall at best especially when weight is an issue, and from an importers point of veiw, the cost of bringing in 15" wheels versus 17"s is tiny.

and all the comments about chrome? ive never been a fan, the only time ive had chrome rims was when it was the only wheel that would fit my car correctly. they were sold as soon as another wheel became available in alloy finish.

[MarkE]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

actually i have plenty of knowledge on automotive products.

i just fail to fully understand why on a street car people will spend $1000 on a 15" wheel and tyre package when for another $200 you can get entry level 17"s and tyres.

[igor]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

I find most people in new plymouth that run race tyres base their rim choice on available tyres for their car, or what clears their brakes.

You have an obsession for wheels clearing brakes don't you.

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

i just fail to fully understand why on a street car people will spend $1000 on a 15" wheel and tyre package when for another $200 you can get entry level 17"s and tyres.

I fail to understand what you find SO wrong about people wanting to buy 15" wheels, even if it is only a "street" car?? Apart from that you think it makes them look like poor people.

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

and all the comments about chrome? ive never been a fan, the only time ive had chrome rims was when it was the only wheel that would fit my car correctly. they were sold as soon as another wheel became available in alloy finish.

Good to hear. :thumbsup:

[[QUIKdc2]]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

the available styles in 15/16" in new plymouth is dismall at best especially when weight is an issue, and from an importers point of veiw, the cost of bringing in 15" wheels versus 17"s is tiny.
.

There's your problem... Have you ever experienced a car scene outside of your own town??

[sirwags_np]

Originally Posted by [QUIKdc2

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There's your problem... Have you ever experienced a car scene outside of your own town??

yeah i have, auckland is full of massive wheels, taupo had nothing(wrong time of the year)

every out of town shop i have been in is chocka of massive wheels. you ask them about 15" wheels and the laugh at you.

And about the brake clearance thing, when half the cars you deal with are nissans with big brakes, x-factor is a very important part of wheel choice. you dont want to run a 25mm spacer just to get your spokes away from the caliper.

[Hayce]

hmm so where do you draw the line?

Should we just keep going up and up till we end up like these:






I read before that you accustom size with value... you do know that a decent set of light 16's EG Volk/rays/advans/work etc cost the same if not more than good ole tsw 18's (just an eg).

It used to be (at least 10+ years ago when I started to fool with cars) that the bigger the wheel the bigger the "status" or whatever you'd like to call it... these days people have grown up (or is just me?) and realise that its not about impressing people who dont know shit with some big wheels...

I hear you on the "gotta clear the calipers" thing. The thing here is you keep saying that most of the time people are moving up in rim size in order to clear the caliper. And to do this they generally get a rims that will clear it yeah? Well thats exactly what honda people are doing. They are getting wheels that are big enough to clear the brakes, just the breaks are small cos the car is light and so are teh bloody wheels

[[QUIKdc2]]

Id rather spend $1300 on my engine thanks

[chargedek]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

i just fail to fully understand why on a street car people will spend $1000 on a 15" wheel and tyre package when for another $200 you can get entry level 17"s and tyres.

Maybe because they track race the car often and don't want to fork out for some 20-fawws when the cars on the street.

You are a fucking idiot mate and your knowledge is very questionable.