why go for such small wheels? (honest answers only)

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

And I was replying to track.whore, not you.

oh ok, just you quoted me is all...

Originally Posted by 2HEKTK

Im just fucking laughing

arent we all

[sirwags_np]

Originally Posted by igor

Why mention circuit racers at all when as you said in your first post...

And when 'most' cars are being done up for street use, then factory wheels could well provide adequate brake cooling. And if they do not, maybe you should be seriously thinking about your style of driving and the speed you do it at.

Speaking of circuit use though...

Did you even think about the extra flywheel effect that larger diameter brake discs will have on the handling of the car, not to mention the increase in unsprung weight and thats penalties too?

What about the effectiveness of the standard sized brake discs that have been grooved and/or cross drilled and run with racing-grade brake pads?

What about the fact that a 'serious circuit racer' WILL strip any and all unecessary parts out of their car to reduce it's weight?

What about multi-piston calipers? Ie upgrading from a 2-pot to a 4-pot caliper. This gives a great increase in braking performance as more of the pad is forced against the disc, and harder.

In fact, you would be surprised to learn Mr 'Everyone-must-have-big-wheels-to-race' that the best-handling and most effective short/medium race wheel and brake package for a Mini is in fact the 7.5" disc brakes (standard size for Mini Cooper S and GT) and 10" wheels (which were the original design spec for the Mini).

Bigger brake rotors aren't the be-all and end-all of performance/racing brakes, neither are bigger wheels.

The door is that way, don't let it hit you on the arse on the way out.

hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as i walk past you faggot.

personal experiance with curciut cars shows that for a 300kw atfw civic needed such big brakes that he then required a minimum 17" wheel to clear.....

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

[gary]

I used to like big wheels once upon a time, those times are gone, I like them as small as they can be without looking stupid with a nice offset, tires are cheaper, less wank looking, makes car sit lower, lighter...blah blah

And what the fuck are you on about sir_wags, you just contradicted yourself, fifteens fit over most street cars brakes just fine so how are they too small if your point is that touring cars and circuit cars need big wheels for big brakes, also rotor boys can keep thier peroxide blonde trashy skanks thats cool.
You Sir_wags are a homo go getarota and the clap.

[CIVTEC]

Fuck not another shit fight.
Why does everyone have to be so negative ?

This could be an enlightening discussion.

[igor]

meh

[Bl4ckt0p]

I had some nice 15s on my car but swapped them for some very nice 17s. I dont regret the swap and many people like my teg more with the new rims on. I personally think 17s for the street and 15s or 16s for the track or strip.

[igor]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as I walk past you faggot.

I would love to see you try tough guy. :thumbsup: Go the hard man on the forums.

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

personal experiance with curciut cars shows that for a 300kw atfw civic needed such big brakes that he then required a minimum 17" wheel to clear.....

How many 300kw atfw civics are there? Seriously?

How much time did he spend trying out different solutions to that problem, or did he go "I have too much power, I must have bigger brake discs"?? In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that the reason he went for the bigger diameter discs was based upon your advice, rather than trial and error.

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

British Touring Car teams also spend more money on car development than most people will on a house. The bigger the wheel, the more problems you encounter with the suspension and finding the "sweet" settings, the more it costs to solve those problems and get those settings.

And how does what wheel size a BTCC car run afect what size wheel I should put on my street driven Accord?? That is like saying I SHOULD put 20" (or whatever size it is) wheels on my Commodore because thats what the V8 supercars are using...

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

You still haven't said why 15" wheels are too small for a street car, other than "they aren't big enough", which is a nebulous answer at best. I'm waiting...

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

Maybe some of use Honda driver's are not insecure enough to need to bee seen with the local car-sluts to have some self-esteem.

[StandardStyle]

I have 15'' wheels on my crx for a number of reasons, I believe 15s are the perfect size for a crx considering its a little car -
Little car ... little wheels ... :wink: cheaper then 16s/17s, and cheaper tires.

I had some 17'' gold speedy lite 7s on it once, I used to have some black light-weight 15'' volk rims on my crx, anyway I took the volk 15s off and put the speedy 17s on,, the rims look mint but they looked way to big and afterwards I went for a drive and the difference was quite dramatic and I noticed it right away, the acceleration was way slower then before, I actualy thought something was wrong with the engine or drive-line or something, took me a minute to relize it was the wheels. I weighed those 17s and together they weighed 25kgs more then my current 15s.

^ enough said, so I recommend 15s for most hondas

I like JDM for heaps of reasons. Its a clean/smooth/subtle style, not over done ... not underdone ... just right. :wink:

[BTLF3D]

Whos civic are you talking about?

[igor]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

and yes i do know all about unsprung weight, braking,acceleration etc, but in the real world(as in public roads) i went from 17" with 225/45/17 michelins(these came with my wagon) to 215/35/18 goodyear eagle f1 on a 18x7.5. in my opinion these 18's far outperform the 17's.

road holding, aquaplanning, tyre noise, have all improved, and with the SMALLER curcumference of the 18"s it has improved throttle response.

let alone the improvement in looks........

I love your comparison between what is quite probably a shit-house Michelin tyre, with one of Goodyears top-of-the-line ones.

Did it occur to you that the tyre itself, rather than the 1" increase in wheel diameter, may have been responsible for the benefits you noticed between the 17" and 18" wheels??

It would only be able to be considered a valid comparison if you had have used the same brand and model of tyres on the two different size wheels, but you didn't, so your comment is essentially worthless. :thumbsup:

[StandardStyle]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as i walk past you faggot.

personal experiance with curciut cars shows that for a 300kw atfw civic needed such big brakes that he then required a minimum 17" wheel to clear.....

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

Grow up

[badcf4]

1st things first.........

dwayne, (sirwags_np) you are quite a maggot really........you knew that when you started this thread that it was gonna start a shitfight even tho you put that shit in your first post about it not being a flaming session etc........your bad.

However....i must say that it is an interesting topic and thank you to the people that answerd in an honest non judgemental manner......

Dwayne......dumb thread to start bro.....

The jdm thing is cool for those that like/appreciate it.

and lastly..........19inch FTW

[F1ERCE]

I would've thought that the answer would be obvious? Smaller wheels = less unsprung weight = more responsive driving?

That, and being the asian that I am, 15" tyres are cheap!

But hey, if you can find a 17" forged rim that is as light as my 15" forged rims, by all means, I'd rock those too...

[StandardStyle]

Originally Posted by badcf4

and lastly..........19inch FTW

19s look mint :thumbsup:

At the end of the day its just personal preference, go with whatever size you prefer, wither it be for looks, performance, cost, or maybe all 3 :thumbsup:

[Esprit]

Oh and on the BTCC rims... they're generally forged magnesium, which is expensive as hell and pretty damned fragile.... run them on a street car and after 5,000km on the roads they'll have about as much structural integrity as Paris Hilton's virginity.

As for the brake issue, cas like the BTCC cars don't actually have that much disc area, most of the centrall mass is in the aluminium brake disc bell, the actual iron disc is probably no heavier to what comes standard on your average Toyota Camry.

As I said before, it also makes a HUGE difference how the wheel/tyre mass relates to the rest o fthe unsprung mass and the mass of the car.... pyt heavy 20" chromies on an HSV and noone would know the difference... the percentage increase over the already heavy unsprung mass isn't large.... now compare that to going from 15" to 18" on a Civic, then it's noticeable and will royally bugger up the handling unless you want to take it back to a bare shell and engineer the thing as a touring car from scratch.

[the_chad]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

And F1's run 13 inch........

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

I don't feel so insecure that my car has to make up for myself lacking the social skills to interact with the other sex :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as i walk past you faggot.

haha..... HAH!!!! That made the thread!!!! Shows what intelligence we are dealing with here!!!!!
you rock

[americ_ian]

whoever needs a rota to "pull" bitches is quite sad

but then again i carried my mrs' pink handbag around all autosalon looking quite sad myself, hmmmm so i cant talk


EDIT:^^^^ oh and what chad said

[evil_elmo]

[Shadow Sol]

i run standard 96 spec ITR wheels on my crx - these cover BB1 Prelude brakes with no dramas, fitted with 205/55R15 Bridgestone potenza G3's the car handles really well and gets up and goes when you want too.

- Crx = small car, a crx on 18's 19's or 20's would be kinder stupid looking.

- I like my car to handle what ever i throw at it and stick to the road

- I dont use my car as a pick up line....

oh yeah and grow up, get an education and a real job - any monkey can fit tyres to rims and fit them to some punks rota for a $1 deposit and just $13 a week combo deal.......

[UnitedWeFall]

Originally Posted by Shadow Sol

i run standard 96 spec ITR wheels on my crx - these cover BB1 Prelude brakes with no dramas, fitted with 205/55R15 Bridgestone potenza G3's the car handles really well and gets up and goes when you want too.

- Crx = small car, a crx on 18's 19's or 20's would be kinder stupid looking.

- I like my car to handle what ever i throw at it and stick to the road

- I dont use my car as a pick up line....

oh yeah and grow up, get an education and a real job - any monkey can fit tyres to rims and fit them to some punks rota for a $1 deposit and just $13 a week combo deal.......

Haha.

/end.

[22]

run them on a street car and after 5,000km on the roads they'll have about as much structural integrity as Paris Hilton's virginity.

LOL FTW!!

But basically, its your dang fxxking car, do what you want with it, if people dont like what you've done then tell em to fxxk off

[workhackSIR]

Where do you work sirwags? if you don't mind me asking

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

hahaha dont let my fist hit your face as i walk past you faggot.

personal experiance with curciut cars shows that for a 300kw atfw civic needed such big brakes that he then required a minimum 17" wheel to clear.....

british touring cars run 19"s why? brake clearance. thats why.

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

oh yeah, the only reason you guys with your vtec are jelous of the rota boys is cause they stole all the hot girls.........

who wants to be seen in a honda when you can be with the badboy in his rota?

oh yeah thats fucking tops , I would say you sound like your in the need of a decent skull fuck from an inmate but heh that'd just be stupid lame.

[David R]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

im over this, atleast people the rest of the nz import scene can understand why 15" is to small......

A. you asked the dumb question.

B. rest of the nz import scene? MR2's with vielside kits and gzeros? v4s with huge externals and standard turbos? preludes with gt wings and clear tail lights?

C. Do you work at mag and turbo/mag warehouse or something? Are you a little upset that not everyone loves the two-tone 20" chomes you sell?

D. Tell the likes of james, frank, colin, mark, aaron and pretty much everyone going under 2 minutes at our last taupo trackday that 15s are just too small.

E. If I saw an accord with wheels over 18" that only cost a couple of grand with tyres on no deposit finance I'd think the owner had run out of money.

[David R]

Oh, and F. LOL!!! @ Logan!!!!!!!