why go for such small wheels? (honest answers only)

[freestylin_hamster]

All depends on the car...
A big car is going to look silly on small wheels.
And a small car can look stupid on big wheels unless it has a kit etc which can improve that.

[garg]

16's ftw, I have tried 15/17" wheels on both my integras and my civic and unless you have a big kit 16's looks better...

[sirwags_np]

Originally Posted by hontegra

Meh i still would prefer my 15's

1. I like the look of the on my car
2. Lighter
3. There JDM 8)
4. Nowhere near as much rubbing as my old 17's
5. unsprung weight is reduced
6. 17's are ok and 18's are gay
7. with my fully adjustable suspension the ride on the road is not as harsh due to bigger sidewalls etc
8. same as 3.
9. Tyres are in some cases cheaper
10. JDM 15/16's are nicer then big heavy Chrome 18" spinners from crap brands

so in your opinion, my reasonably lightweight, gloss black 18"s are gay, and the 19" racinghart look-alikes on my '98 work accord must be FAB 5 GAY!!!

lucky other peoples opinions dont bother me to much........

[BHybrid]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

so in your opinion, my reasonably lightweight, gloss black 18"s are gay, and the 19" racinghart look-alikes on my '98 work accord must be FAB 5 GAY!!!

lucky other peoples opinions dont bother me to much........

Well you did ask for honest answers and he just gave you his.

[garg]

On an Accord wagon I recon 17/18's look perfect. Just like my BMW E36 - 15/16's look a bit too small but 17/18's are perfect...

[Hayce]

depends on the car.

FD/supra/s15 = at least 18's smaller looks :thumbsdown:

eg/ek/dc = 16-17's. I personally wouldnt go either side of that on those chasiss.

IMO a lot of the cars that look "sick" in pictures on smaller little wheels often look shit house in person.

performance reasons have been stated a-plenty already.

[Track Whore]

Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

I run 16"s on my ITR because many people have told me any bigger and you'll compromise the excellent factory handling of the car. Plus most Honda's don't suit big wheels.

We like JDM because JDM is cool.

/end.

Yea um funny reply for some rocking on rotas

[K_ma23]

quote my own reply from the other post.

"People tend to think if they get smaller or lighter wheels they can go faster. But sometimes they forget about the tyres. you gonna need higher profile tyres to go with smaller wheels and sometimes higher profile tyres can be heavier. Same brand model tyres but in different sizes...eg: 205/50/16 package vs 205/45/17 package, if the 16' wheels ain't considerably lighter then the 17" wheels, say the 16" is only 2-3kg or so lighter than the 17s than the differences in weight for both packages will be little.
The design of the wheel spokes plays a big part too. The unspung weight effects the handling but dosent ALWAYS effect stright line performance. Rotational inertia (or what ever it is) somewhat is the key on effecting the acceleration. The best is to find a spoke design thats easiest to spin, look at the design of factory DC2R, DC5 R wheel spokes, the mass distrubution is always close to the centre of the wheel.

The mugen 17' M12 that came with my euro-r is 2kgs heavier with tyres (215/45/17) than the DTM Alonzo (215/40/18 ) with tyres that is currently on my car now , but after experienced both packages i can honestly say i couldn't feel a damn bit of difference when driving. "

[[QUIKdc2]]

17s are teh suk.

I like my 15s for pretty much all the above reasons.

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by Track Whore

Yea um funny reply for some rocking on rotas

burn

[sirwags_np]

Originally Posted by K_ma23

quote my own reply from the other post.

"People tend to think if they get smaller or lighter wheels they can go faster. But sometimes they forget about the tyres. you gonna need higher profile tyres to go with smaller wheels and sometimes higher profile tyres can be heavier. Same brand model tyres but in different sizes...eg: 205/50/16 package vs 205/45/17 package, if the 16' wheels ain't considerably lighter then the 17" wheels, say the 16" is only 2-3kg or so lighter than the 17s than the differences in weight for both packages will be little.
The design of the wheel spokes plays a big part too. The unspung weight effects the handling but dosent ALWAYS effect stright line performance. Rotational inertia (or what ever it is) somewhat is the key on effecting the acceleration. The best is to find a spoke design thats easiest to spin, look at the design of factory DC2R, DC5 R wheel spokes, the mass distrubution is always close to the centre of the wheel.

The mugen 17' M12 that came with my euro-r is 2kgs heavier with tyres (215/45/17) than the DTM Alonzo (215/40/18 ) with tyres that is currently on my car now , but after experienced both packages i can honestly say i couldn't feel a damn bit of difference when driving. "

thank you

does anyone even consider the braking effect different wheels have?

a open 5 spoke 17" can allow for better airflow around the brakes than a factory wheel, promoting a safer vehicle. No use having all that performance if ya cant stop :wink:

If you circuit racers were serious, brake upgrades would be mandatory, which in effect would mean the minimum wheel size would change along with the bigger brake rotors.

[CRZYSi]

Ive got 17s on my EF on coilovers winded all the way down and the tyres are 225 but i only get guard when on full turn but yea the back in not as low as i want ... coz its a street driven car and ill buy some 15s if i want to go track or anything....

but yea when in high school my car was on choppies ops: and no kit and big 17z and i got pulled over and the copz said "Why are the wheel inside gaurds? Is it because of the BIG wheels? oh and yea they used to scrap hard.

but yea IMO 16s or 15s suit a non kitted car

[Cyclone21]

I find it looks wrong when you see the amount of car's, DA Integra's tend to be the choice in Christchurch, rocking 17" or 18" rims and it looks so stupid with their TINY brakes.

In my opinion, there are two main ways people modify their car.

A) Modify their car to look good/fast to other people..
B) Modify their car to feel good/fast for them to drive..

In 16" I get heaps of choice for decent tyres and they clear my brakes, just.

I don't care if someone doesn't like the look of my car, I'm happy with how it's power/handling/braking ability. With mag's i'm more interested in a a decent width (18x7.5 is NOT a decent width!!!) and also a decent offset..

Oh yeah my 18x9's got stolen 5-6 weeks after I bought them cash, along with a bunch of other stuff from my car and my house.. thief's dont look at a car rocking on 16's...

[NECRO]

personally i like a car to look in proportion, so putting 17s or bigger on any crx (or small unkitted hatchback EG,EF etc) looks rediculous! an having run both lightweight 17s an lightweight 15s on my car the difference is quite noticable but in saying that, as my car is abit bigger an has a kit (kind of) i run 17s on the road but have my 15s for anything else, as for why do people like jdm rims, aside from them usually being lighter/stronger an looking better, hondas are japanese so why put euro,nz etc rims on them an, imo most new generic mags i see now days look pretty f**ken ugly! an putting them anywhere near a car isnt even an option in my mind, although sum could look nice in the garden an be quite handy for coiling up the garden hose on! as for thinking someone has run out of money or has done a budget build because they arent sporting 19s or bigger rims is just stupid as not everyone wants there car to look like sum wanabe vip bling machine an lots of people prefer to spend there money on performance mods that cant be seen an make there car go better than on performance hindering mods that just draw unwanted attention to there car
end rant

[tcuf]

My civic comes factory with 17's. Any bigger and I think it will look even more like a roller skate.

I guess car manufacturers put a certain size wheel on for a reason (other than costs).

[Bananaman]

Well I am in both camps. I like the look of a decent larger rim (Not 20" rims on a crx or anything crazy over the top) and I also like the smaller rims on a decent looking car.

I have 17" rims on my civic sedan (wanted 18" but was too much more)and also looking at some 15" rims for it when putting it on the track etc.

It is all personal preference. I like the look of some 15" rims on hondas and others just look a little under done...

IMO 15" is as small as anyone should go these days. 13" and 14" should only be on rotor's cos there gay. *waits for the backlash!*

[chargedek]

I use 15s on my ef civic because:
-I like the look
-They are lightweight
-Cheap tyres
-And they already came on my ek even though I changed my ef's stud pattern to fit them
-Because I am JDM

[UnitedWeFall]

Originally Posted by Hayce

burn

I fail to see anything funny about my reply

Just because I like JDM doesn't mean i'm going to stick by it

[Track Whore]

Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

I fail to see anything funny about my reply


Just because I like JDM doesn't mean i'm going to stick by it

It's funny cause your a dooshbag!

[Macros]

Originally Posted by Bananaman

IMO 15" is as small as anyone should go these days. 13" and 14" should only be on rotor's cos there gay. *waits for the backlash!*

Friends of mine have 14" te37's on their ef9. Looks pretty darn good.

[GDNYTE]

I find it looks wrong when you see the amount of car's, DA Integra's tend to be the choice in Christchurch, rocking 17" or 18" rims and it looks so stupid with their TINY brakes.

I agree my DA Looks stupid when its not moving. I got mine becasue i got them dirt cheap and according to some scales there were lighter than the ones i had on.

[F1ERCE]

Originally Posted by Track Whore

Yea um funny reply for some rocking on rotas

ouch.

[igor]

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

does anyone even consider the braking effect different wheels have?

a open 5 spoke 17" can allow for better airflow around the brakes than a factory wheel, promoting a safer vehicle. No use having all that performance if ya cant stop :wink:

Why mention circuit racers at all when as you said in your first post...

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

i know some of you will say "lightweight" "improve performance" etc, but most people are doing up "street cars" not drag/curcuit cars.

And when 'most' cars are being done up for street use, then factory wheels could well provide adequate brake cooling. And if they do not, maybe you should be seriously thinking about your style of driving and the speed you do it at.

Speaking of circuit use though...

Originally Posted by sirwags_np

If you circuit racers were serious, brake upgrades would be mandatory, which in effect would mean the minimum wheel size would change along with the bigger brake rotors.

Did you even think about the extra flywheel effect that larger diameter brake discs will have on the handling of the car, not to mention the increase in unsprung weight and thats penalties too?

What about the effectiveness of the standard sized brake discs that have been grooved and/or cross drilled and run with racing-grade brake pads?

What about the fact that a 'serious circuit racer' WILL strip any and all unecessary parts out of their car to reduce it's weight?

What about multi-piston calipers? Ie upgrading from a 2-pot to a 4-pot caliper. This gives a great increase in braking performance as more of the pad is forced against the disc, and harder.

In fact, you would be surprised to learn Mr 'Everyone-must-have-big-wheels-to-race' that the best-handling and most effective short/medium race wheel and brake package for a Mini is in fact the 7.5" disc brakes (standard size for Mini Cooper S and GT) and 10" wheels (which were the original design spec for the Mini).

Bigger brake rotors aren't the be-all and end-all of performance/racing brakes, neither are bigger wheels.

The door is that way, don't let it hit you on the arse on the way out.

[freestylin_hamster]

^^^
Just about need to divide that last reply into chapters

[2HEKTK]

Im just fucking laughing