Shell V-Power vs BP 98 oct

[MyH22A]

Now thats its out and been round for a wee while i was wondering what alota you might think on this subject, i did notice it seemed to be better and maybe quieter over there old 95 fuel, but not to sure how good it might be vs BP's 98oct

Your thought's people???

[lincooln]

Well all i know is that it is 97RON. so must be better than the old 95 but I dont know. Dont live near a shell station to actually fuel up. It out of my way.

[MMJA]

Just been reading up on GP forums and it seems like the Shell V-power is rated at 97RON-98RON everywhere else but our V-power is just 95RON with some fancy pants additive and lots of marketing. I'm still gona stick with BP ultimate.

[BWDOWN]

Its 95 octane in NZ so its balls

[Pommy]

more additives = less petrol = pooz, still rock it over the overpriced 98 though.

[Stubs]

BP is better. It's logo is green. (Why I buy BP, well that and its the only place here with 98)

Green > all the other colours so BP FTW

[tysonzane]

Well i've been running shell 95 for the last year and i've just finished a tank on the new stuff. I got 20km more out of a tank then the usual distance i get but i was been particularlly economical for this tank load. So i dont think it is any more economical then the old stuff, i'll have to try a few more tanks to come to a conclusion. It didn't feel any faster either.

When i topped up my local guy was saying that it is alot better, faster and econmical etc. and apparently shell want feedback as to how much faster and better it is etc. He gave me a little broshure on it and after reading it the only thing i could pick up that was different is that it had an aditive which was cleaner burning and cleaned up carbon build up on the valves, ports and pistons etc. Then because the engine is cleaner it will have more power and be more effeceint. Suppose its not a bad thing but its nothing to get too excited about.

I'd say the other companies 98 is better but i'll stick to the magically v power since i've got an account lulz

[MyH22A]

I chucked some in tonight b4 shell rised the price, ( hard to believe petrol's jumped 12c in less than a week ) ill see what i think in the next few days i had an attendant also try to tell me its all that but it is just 95 refined better thats all i think hence slightly better performance not gonna affect the round towner's i'd say but ill see how it goe's on the old trip metre.

[duncanb]

Depending on where you live, 95 petrol in NZ is refined at Marsden Point. So unless Shell are importing it (unlikely as its 95), then it's basically just the same as the other brands. The only difference can be the additives.

I tried a couple of tanks of the Gull 98 biofuel in my Accord SiR. Seemed to run smoother and quieter than on Ultimate, but the fuel consumption was down slightly as you'd expect from biofuel. But it is 5c a litre cheaper than Ultimate. It's probably just Gull 95 (which is imported) blended with 10% ethanol, which is a pretty effective octane booster.

[Leon]

The key thing about petrol, is that basically every 91 is the same, every 95 is the same. They come out of the same refinery tank, then they just mix in their brand of detergent or whatever.

It's all about the marketing. They are trying to build the perception that their stuff is somehow different, and miraculously better than all the rest. Why? Because it is an exercise in trying to build brand loyalty. If you're selling the same crap as everyone else, and the public knows it then the public will go to the gas station that's nearest.

If you build up the illusion that your crap is different, then you have people on a mish to find that "right" brand of petrol station when the little yellow light comes on.

If you ask a fuel scientist, he's going to laugh at you, and point out that it's the same stuff with different colouring in it.

disclaimer: it may be the case that Challenge / Gull import from different sources, but so far as I am aware, Shell, Mobil, BP, Caltex are all out of the same "tap" at Marsden Point. It's been a while since I talked to my semi tame fuel scientist guru.

I guess a good simile would be somebody using only the water out of their downstairs hand basin, because it's "better" than the water out of their upstairs hand basin. It's pure placebo.

[americ_ian]

but ferrari made it so it must be good!

[tegRatypeR]

Originally Posted by MMJA

I'm still gona stick with BP ultimate.

Word.

[lazyman]

I don't know if it's just my car, I get more KMs and "feel" more power when I use Mobil 8000 than BP Ultimate.

I guess it all depends on the car. But I never put Shell fuel in my car before.

[mr.sky]

Originally Posted by americ_ian

but ferrari made it so it must be good!

x2!!

[Dezigns]

Hmm... I think you should make slightly more power on Ultimate than Gull Force10 biofuel.

Require 30% more ethanol by volume to make the same power as petrol.
Being a 10% ethanol blend, it should be down around 3%???


Theres some guys in the US who run their rx7s on a 80/20 ethanol/petrol mix.
They brew the ethanol in their backyard (just like a spirits still)

[TypeAhhh]

Yupp, the V-power is pretty much exactly the same as the old stuff if you read the tech sheets, just a new additive (used to work for Shell, for some reason i was interested ). Big disappointment we aren't getting the 97 or 100 octane versions they have in Aussie, mainly cause I like getting flybuys .

Also, if it's anything like the last implementation of new fuel Shell did, it's actually been going into the tanks for a few weeks before the official release date I think, something last time about being able to say it is the new fuel in its undiluted state cause it's very rare that petrol stations let their fuel tanks run low. Well, that's what the driver told me last time, take it or leave it. The extra km's achieved after filling up on the release date don't mean anything to me anyway.

It's all a hype thing as far as I'm concerned...I used to chuckle away when I worked there and I still do. Octane over additives any day, 98 FTW .

[TypeAhhh]

Originally Posted by Dezigns

Theres some guys in the US who run their rx7s on a 80/20 ethanol/petrol mix.
They brew the ethanol in their backyard (just like a spirits still)

I wonder what that sorta thing costs!? Especially being rx7's they're brewing for .

[ProjectDohc]

Unsure on "Actual" fact as I'm not a petrol Guru but from previous experience it depends on the car.

I got quite good economy out of my 1.5 Mazda familia on Caltex 95.

But after buying a WRX I tried pretty much everything available to me, Mobil Shell, Caltex, Bp

I found that with my WRX 98 gave it more power but not necessarily more milage

I chuck 91 one in my Integra DA6 and it chomped it, Then I put in a tank of BP 98 and it lasted me ages! Fuel economy+ but then again its not cheap.

So BP98 FTW

My.2c

[duncanb]

Originally Posted by Dezigns

Hmm... I think you should make slightly more power on Ultimate than Gull Force10 biofuel.

Require 30% more ethanol by volume to make the same power as petrol.
Being a 10% ethanol blend, it should be down around 3%???

The best I could get from 2 tanks of Gull Force 10 was about 10.5 km/l, whereas Ultimate gives me about 11. So I'd guess the cost saving is pretty much offset by the worse fuel consumption.

But it definitely runs better on Force 10. I can accelerate up the south side of the Bombay Hills in top gear, which I can't do on Ultimate.

[Leon]

I'm a fuel economy nerd. On my EP Starlet, I ran it for two months on 91 octane. It had no trip meter, so I recorded the litres and km travelled in a notebook in the glovebox. I changed it to 95 octane, and from that point onwards it picked up 1 to 1.5km per litre. So it isn't scientific, but it is very accurately recorded.

[TypeAhhh]

Originally Posted by Leon

I'm a fuel economy nerd. On my EP Starlet, I ran it for two months on 91 octane. It had no trip meter, so I recorded the litres and km travelled in a notebook in the glovebox. I changed it to 95 octane, and from that point onwards it picked up 1 to 1.5km per litre. So it isn't scientific, but it is very accurately recorded.

Yupp, nice one. I always maintained when working at Shell that Japanese cars are more economical on 95, simply because for the majority, that's what they're tuned for. Generally I have found that 95 gives more km's to the dollar, so is actually cheaper to run. Trying to explain that to people sometimes got frustrating though . I think in my car, because of the price difference between 95 and 98, it's probably not the same, but I don't think I'll be wasting much money though and I hate the way the car revs up high on 95 hence my reason to run 98.

[Pandaemonaeon]

Originally Posted by Dezigns

Hmm... I think you should make slightly more power on Ultimate than Gull Force10 biofuel.

Require 30% more ethanol by volume to make the same power as petrol.
Being a 10% ethanol blend, it should be down around 3%???


Theres some guys in the US who run their rx7s on a 80/20 ethanol/petrol mix.
They brew the ethanol in their backyard (just like a spirits still)

From dyno testing Soichi did on a Production series Evo, the Force10 actually made more power than avgas or Elf racing fuel. Of course you have to use more to get this power, but in terms of power output it's the one to use.

[Dezigns]

Originally Posted by Pandaemonaeon

From dyno testing Soichi did on a Production series Evo, the Force10 actually made more power than avgas or Elf racing fuel. Of course you have to use more to get this power, but in terms of power output it's the one to use.

Yeah - I was talking to Soichi about it when he tuned my FD last week.
But unless you car is specifically tuned for it, you'll will run leaner than previously - certainly not a good thing if you had an aggressive tune on Ultimate/Syn8000.

If your running a stock ECU, then you'll probably make more power since factory tunes are generally rich

[Coupe-R]

Got any links to more info or any dyno graphs.

Hard to believe it was much more power with a 10% blend, I am guessing it was a little bit of tuning involved?

I don't like that bio fuel can separate out, and sedement on fuel lines, and the non standard way in that it can be produced.
(I.E all bio fuel is not equal, even at the same blend)

[Pandaemonaeon]

You would definately need to tune for it. A mate of mine is running it in his GTR and he said it's definately not as smooth with the current map on it for 98.

I'm not 100% sure on the reasons for the higher power, but I think the biofuel runs the engine a lot cooler.
He hasn't released the final results in his blog, but a mate who is in there almost daily told me the biofuel was the one.

taken from ST Hitec's Tuning Diary: 2008-03-02

Today we tested four type of fuel..............BP98, elf racing, AVgas, and Gull biomix.
Our testing vehicle is EVO production car with small restrictor on turbo's(32mm??).
To make equal condition, we adjusted mixture ratio in same level....
And start to check and tune.....................Amazing Amazing......
Result....................I can't tell you right now, but....................give you a hint......
Don't need to pay much money........(^_^) hehe...