Spoon Strut brace

[beeker]

2 questions:

Are these more effective that the factory Type R items ? As they have only one bolt, i allmost think they would have more flex.

What are they worth 2nd hand ?

[SoL]

well.. yes.. but then they are bolted to the strut / suspension itself, rather than the 2 tiny bolts of the factory one..

[BTLF3D]

run both if you can fit them

[PIGGKILLA]

Originally Posted by BTLF3D

run both if you can fit them

Like mine!

[NZRacerX]

On the EK9 I went from having just the factory front strut brace, to having Spoon front and rear strut braces as well as front and rear tie rods. I thought it handled pretty well previously, but it's a massive improvement with the Spoon bars & braces. It's noticably "tighter", and even on factory suspension the vehicle now sits flat through the corners. And the slight nervousness in the rear end under hard cornering has disappeared (or moved beyond the limits of my driving at least! )

Unfortunately because I did all four bars at once I can't help with identifying what effect any one individual bar will do. But you're welcome to take the car for a drive to feel for yourself if you like; just send me a PM.

[beeker]

Originally Posted by NZRacerX

On the EK9 I went from having just the factory front strut brace, to having Spoon front and rear strut braces as well as front and rear tie rods. I thought it handled pretty well previously, but it's a massive improvement with the Spoon bars & braces. It's noticably "tighter", and even on factory suspension the vehicle now sits flat through the corners. And the slight nervousness in the rear end under hard cornering has disappeared (or moved beyond the limits of my driving at least! )

Unfortunately because I did all four bars at once I can't help with identifying what effect any one individual bar will do. But you're welcome to take the car for a drive to feel for yourself if you like; just send me a PM.

So your are recomending that i use this spoon bar instead of a factyory type R one then.

I dont see how having the spoon bolted under the strut bolts, as againt the bolts just behind it its any better or worse. I would have thought the honda engineers would have put the factory strut brace in this format if it was any better.

As for flex, dont you think with the spoons single bolt accross the top, that both towers can flex left and right together by pivoting on this single bolt as opposed to the factory brace which has two bolts and technically more rigid ?

[Horny_Devil]

think of where the force is gonna be applied on the bar when u go round a corner. the outside strut tower is goning to want to move inwards, the strut bar due to ti being connected to the oppisite side resists this action,

having the single bolt there is not gonna affect it in any way over a solid one as the force isnt causing the strut bar to pivit on the bolt its applying the force laterally across the legnth of it.

id go with the spoon one over the factor one as the ends on the factory ones are a lot bigget and can hold more force

[Colza]

Correct me if im wrong but arent strut bars in tension? As the outside wheel trys to tuck inwards, the top of the strut tower moves outwards putting the bar under a tension or 'pulling' force.

That means that either single bolt or 2 bolts doesnt matter, rather you should be looking at which one has the thickest bolts and the strongest uprights.

[Logger]

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

think of where the force is gonna be applied on the bar when u go round a corner. the outside strut tower is goning to want to move inwards, the strut bar due to ti being connected to the oppisite side resists this action,

having the single bolt there is not gonna affect it in any way over a solid one as the force isnt causing the strut bar to pivit on the bolt its applying the force laterally across the legnth of it.

id go with the spoon one over the factor one as the ends on the factory ones are a lot bigget and can hold more force

The force of the strut tower will not be directed totally parallel to the strut brace, there will always be a small amount of force trying to push upwards. Even if it is at a very small angle there will still be some vertical component there.

[Horny_Devil]

it will be the tinyest amount of force, the same can be said for solid ones then, but IMHO i dont think there will be a noticeable difference between solid bars and ones like the spoon one

[Logger]

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

it will be the tinyest amount of force, the same can be said for solid ones then, but IMHO i dont think there will be a noticeable difference between solid bars and ones like the spoon one

This is true but it's still there. The only advantage I really see in a sold bar is that there is slightly less twisting when under load as there are no hinged joins. But yes as you have stated it would make bugger all difference.

[timmiblc]

If you're having the cage go onto the front struts Noel, then the effect of a strut brace is not going to have the huge benefits of not having the cage.

I thought you would be having a couple of diagonals up onto the fronts?

I can run my CTR with and without, and the difference is not really that noticeable. If it wasn't my car I wouldn't notice the difference in other words.

[beeker]

Originally Posted by timmiblc

If you're having the cage go onto the front struts Noel, then the effect of a strut brace is not going to have the huge benefits of not having the cage.

I thought you would be having a couple of diagonals up onto the fronts?

I can run my CTR with and without, and the difference is not really that noticeable. If it wasn't my car I wouldn't notice the difference in other words.

We are going to the front struts with a single bar. We are not doing any diagonals thou.

[timmiblc]

In that case the factory brace should be sufficient, unless you want the bling factor of genuine spoon (and the price) or have you already got one (hence the pic)?

[beeker]

Originally Posted by timmiblc

In that case the factory brace should be sufficient, unless you want the bling factor of genuine spoon (and the price) or have you already got one (hence the pic)?

yeas i already have one. Trying to decide if i move it across to teh new car or sell it. What do they sell for ?

[timmiblc]

Yeah keep the spoon bar, it's definitely better.

[Dionysus]

Ask Rustynuts, he's had both