Bad day at the track

dazznz · 28th July 2007, 12:13 PM

I went out to puke today to finally test my new motor on a dry day. Went out in the first session and did 3 warm up laps, and then on my first flying lap i was coming down the front straight at around 180k's and all of a studden CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH. For some reason my gearbox decided to go bang, not even when changing gear, it was just while in 5th going down the straight. This is with an ATS close ratio kit.

I can still get the box into 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th gear, but 5th gear and reverse are gone and it is also crunching in every gear.

Not a good thing to have happen after the car has already been off the track for like 5 months with motor issues. So yer i have no idea what has happend to it yet, but im sure when it comes apart it is going to be pritty messy in there.

92Coupe · 28th July 2007, 12:19 PM

check it doesn't have a rat in it

http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/what-the-...tml?highlight=

xsiv · 28th July 2007, 12:56 PM

dam sounds like it could be expensive

americ_ian · 28th July 2007, 01:01 PM

ouch

got any spare box's?

dazznz · 28th July 2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by americ_ian

ouch

got any spare box's?

yer i bought a brand new box off jacky a while back. so i will put that in untill i can get this one rebuilt.

americ_ian · 28th July 2007, 01:39 PM

:thumbsup:

tysonzane · 28th July 2007, 01:42 PM

Ouch, thats very rare to happen with aftermarket ratios and i know yours were very good as i came close to buying the car.

May i ask what oil you were running? Don't skimp on a good gearbox builder as they'll save you in the long run!

beeker · 28th July 2007, 01:44 PM

Thats bad news. But, it could have been worse, could have been on day 1 of targa, and then missed out of the remianing days and wasted a $5k entry fee. Wose still, it could have locked it up and put you into the wall. So think on the positive side.

What happened to your engine ?

dazznz · 28th July 2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tysonzane

Ouch, thats very rare to happen with aftermarket ratios and i know yours were very good as i came close to buying the car.

May i ask what oil you were running? Don't skimp on a good gearbox builder as they'll save you in the long run!

After alot of pissing around by the previous owner, the best oil they found to run in the box is a wako's oil. Works well with the diff and the gears. And we have always run it on this. I would say that the box was just old and tired because i dont believe it has been rebuilt in like 3 or 4 years so around 20-25,000k's of racing and targa. Not a bad stint for a gearbox really. But i think that the extra 50hp pushed it over the edge.

dazznz · 28th July 2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by beeker

Thats bad news. But, it could have been worse, could have been on day 1 of targa, and then missed out of the remianing days and wasted a $5k entry fee. Wose still, it could have locked it up and put you into the wall. So think on the positive side.

What happened to your engine ?

Yer its better that it happend now than happend at the 1st round of this seasons racing. As for the engine, the old one decided that it would like to use a sh1t load of oil, so after pulling this out, i bought a new one off someone that turned out not to be what i was after for some reasons that i wont say, so i sent that one back, and it now has the original motor back in it, however it is now 2ltr and has alot more get up and go.

d16a7 · 28th July 2007, 05:29 PM

maybe the gearbox didnt like the extra get up and go you had... Torque destroying the box? big load at high speed

never mind i dunno what im getting at...

but damn.. that sucks... at least it wasnt the motor going BANG..

dazznz · 28th July 2007, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d16a7

maybe the gearbox didnt like the extra get up and go you had... Torque destroying the box? big load at high speed

never mind i dunno what im getting at...

but damn.. that sucks... at least it wasnt the motor going BANG..

HAHA if it was the motor i would be really angry. It will be interesting to pull the box out and open it up and see whats actually gone wrong.

Colza · 28th July 2007, 05:46 PM

Pics

when its apart!

Frost · 28th July 2007, 07:03 PM

That really sucks man! Tim told me this morning - probably not long after it happened

dazznz · 6th August 2007, 05:03 PM

Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear.

So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url]

beeker · 6th August 2007, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazznz

Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear.

So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url]

Race cars, they are more expensive than women. or maybe not

dazznz · 6th August 2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beeker

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazznz

Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear.

So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url]

Race cars, they are more expensive than women. or maybe not

Lol. Depends what sort of women you have i would say. But yer racing is dam expensive.

timmiblc · 6th August 2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beeker

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazznz

Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear.

So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url]

Race cars, they are more expensive than women. or maybe not

Yep, for sure.

Unless you haven't got a race car

beeker · 6th August 2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmiblc

Quote:

Originally Posted by beeker

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazznz

Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear.

So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url]

Race cars, they are more expensive than women. or maybe not

Yep, for sure.

Unless you haven't got a race car

I've got 3x, its just that 2x are broken

chuckles2 · 6th August 2007, 07:28 PM

had to put a new gearbox in a 2006 corvette last year,

came out of chev factory in states, got delivered to NZ, converted to right hand drive and jsut before it got to us to deliver it to customer gearbox locked up. chev factory forgot to put oil in it and cause we didnt get it yet we hadnt PD'd it yet.

10k for a new gearbox anyone?

95ITR · 6th August 2007, 07:44 PM

know how you feel, I have been forever replacing things on my race car.

Coupe-R · 6th August 2007, 07:55 PM

Yeh maybe the ATS gears aren't as strong and you say the 5th is smaller thats weird. Im guessing the MFactory ones will stand up to the test if they are as good as they are marketed to be.

Good luck man 8)

timmiblc · 6th August 2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckles2

had to put a new gearbox in a 2006 corvette last year,

came out of chev factory in states, got delivered to NZ, converted to right hand drive and jsut before it got to us to deliver it to customer gearbox locked up. chev factory forgot to put oil in it and cause we didnt get it yet we hadnt PD'd it yet.

10k for a new gearbox anyone?

Ouch. Like a straight cut gear set for S4c...

AUD9,995 plus shipping 8O

Logger · 6th August 2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmiblc

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckles2

had to put a new gearbox in a 2006 corvette last year,

came out of chev factory in states, got delivered to NZ, converted to right hand drive and jsut before it got to us to deliver it to customer gearbox locked up. chev factory forgot to put oil in it and cause we didnt get it yet we hadnt PD'd it yet.

10k for a new gearbox anyone?

Ouch. Like a straight cut gear set for S4c...

AUD9,995 plus shipping 8O

Thank god I saved your bacon today then eh Tim? Better pm me those details.

dazznz · 7th August 2007, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coupe-R

Yeh maybe the ATS gears aren't as strong and you say the 5th is smaller thats weird. Im guessing the MFactory ones will stand up to the test if they are as good as they are marketed to be.

Good luck man 8)

Yer well who knows, because the ATS ones are not forged and the MFactory ones are, so you would hope they are stronger. And by smaller is was meaning because when you go to a close ratio kit you are making all of the gears smaller, and when you do this to 5th gear it becomes a very small gear.

28th July 2007, 12:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
dazznz Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,533 Location: Auckland	Bad day at the track I went out to puke today to finally test my new motor on a dry day. Went out in the first session and did 3 warm up laps, and then on my first flying lap i was coming down the front straight at around 180k's and all of a studden CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH. For some reason my gearbox decided to go bang, not even when changing gear, it was just while in 5th going down the straight. This is with an ATS close ratio kit. I can still get the box into 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th gear, but 5th gear and reverse are gone and it is also crunching in every gear. Not a good thing to have happen after the car has already been off the track for like 5 months with motor issues. So yer i have no idea what has happend to it yet, but im sure when it comes apart it is going to be pritty messy in there. __________________ www.yorkmotorsport.co.nz - www.badboy.co.nz www.theblackhawk.co.nz www.queenb.co.nz (Online home shoping)

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tysonzane Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,012 Location: Pukekohe	Ouch, thats very rare to happen with aftermarket ratios and i know yours were very good as i came close to buying the car. May i ask what oil you were running? Don't skimp on a good gearbox builder as they'll save you in the long run! __________________ All your Spoons are belong to me.

28th July 2007, 01:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
beeker Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 542 Location: Auckland	Thats bad news. But, it could have been worse, could have been on day 1 of targa, and then missed out of the remianing days and wasted a $5k entry fee. Wose still, it could have locked it up and put you into the wall. So think on the positive side. What happened to your engine ? __________________ Ae86 Levin Targa Car RS4 Daily drive

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d16a7 Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,636 Location: Auckland	maybe the gearbox didnt like the extra get up and go you had... Torque destroying the box? big load at high speed never mind i dunno what im getting at... but damn.. that sucks... at least it wasnt the motor going BANG.. __________________ PROJECT EJ - D Ninja

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Colza Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,694 Location: Palmerston North	Pics when its apart! __________________ I'm in ur loop, iterating ur variable!

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Frost Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,835 Location: Outside NZ: Australia	That really sucks man! Tim told me this morning - probably not long after it happened __________________ *EF H22A Race Car* ............ *Click Here for build thread* *EF H22A Road Car............ Click Here for build thread*

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dazznz Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,533 Location: Auckland	Bit of an update. We took the box out on friday and opened it up. Was not a good sight. Turned out to be that 5th gear is now round!! basically no teeth left on it. We think it has been caused because it is a small ATS gear and with the extra HP it has just been to much stess for such a small gear. So for now, i have put a 98spec box in, and i am going to go and test this and see if it is any good. Then when money allows, i am going to get myself a MFactory gear kit and replace the screwed ATS one, and either put that box back in the car, or if the 98spec box works well, the close ratio one will be kept as a spear box and also a tarmac rally box.[/url] __________________ www.yorkmotorsport.co.nz - www.badboy.co.nz www.theblackhawk.co.nz www.queenb.co.nz (Online home shoping)

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chuckles2 Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,167 Location: Christchurch	had to put a new gearbox in a 2006 corvette last year, came out of chev factory in states, got delivered to NZ, converted to right hand drive and jsut before it got to us to deliver it to customer gearbox locked up. chev factory forgot to put oil in it and cause we didnt get it yet we hadnt PD'd it yet. 10k for a new gearbox anyone? __________________ www.bebo.com/oscarp466

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95ITR Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,601 Location: New Plymouth	know how you feel, I have been forever replacing things on my race car.

6th August 2007, 07:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
Coupe-R Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,965 Location: Tauranga	Yeh maybe the ATS gears aren't as strong and you say the 5th is smaller thats weird. Im guessing the MFactory ones will stand up to the test if they are as good as they are marketed to be. Good luck man 8)

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