Wastegate or not??

vtec2nv · 2nd June 2008, 03:25 PM

Hey Guys,

Just after some techo knowledge...

I've run out of room to put an External wastegate on my EF3

The factory internal wastegate on the TD05h is all welded shut.

>> Question:
Do I have to have a Wastegate at all???

>> What will happen if i weld up my external port and just run the car without a wastegate???

>>> Will it still boost???

trend.whore · 2nd June 2008, 03:43 PM

Er if you have no wastegate it will freeboost lol. Effectively meaning infinate boost. I'd say it's in yuor best interests to have a wastegate =)

SwiftSez · 2nd June 2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtec2nv

>>> Will it still boost???

Yes, but only once

Horny_Devil · 2nd June 2008, 04:03 PM

Forced Induction: Threads of interest

read those then ask ur questions

alternativly use google to look up the purpose of a seategate

DURTYEF3 · 2nd June 2008, 04:04 PM

Yes you will need a wastegate, be it internal or external. Obviously internal not really an option seen as its welded now. MAKE room for the external gate. Im sure you'll find room.

Got a pic?.

b16a2 · 2nd June 2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwiftSez

Yes, but only once

very well put,

no you dont need a wastegate to ensure you car creates boost,

but you WILL need a wastegate if you want a functioning engine

AccordB20A · 2nd June 2008, 09:00 PM

use google. if you want to spend $$ you can run your car without a wastegate. i r has seen it done

Built4Speed · 2nd June 2008, 09:12 PM

It needs to be said, that if you dont know how a wastegate works and why you need one, you shouldnt be turboing a car!

Horny_Devil · 2nd June 2008, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built4Speed

It needs to be said, that if you dont know how a wastegate works and why you need one, you shouldnt be turboing a car!

best post in this thread

madDC4 · 2nd June 2008, 10:09 PM

There must be room for the wastegate, you can have it coming off pretty much anywhere between the head and turbo exhaust housing, some people have even modified the turbo exhaust housing to have the gate coming off it. Post some pics, im sure theres a way to do it.

Hayce · 2nd June 2008, 10:43 PM

wow...

Your sig says 40mm external?

CoupeTurbo · 2nd June 2008, 10:53 PM

^^ haha

crxmad · 3rd June 2008, 02:27 AM

Hey let us know when the big day is so we can all come and watch lol

Not only will your car be faster, it will be a bit lighter too without the extra weight of the wastegate setup.

Now on a more serious note you could always go and buy a blown Td05 and use the exhaust housing off that otherwise ud better take out life insurance!!

Colza · 3rd June 2008, 09:07 AM

I will be running a TD05 with an external, however the internal gate on my housing has not been welded up yet.

If you want to arrange a swap you could use my housing which would allow you to use the internal wastegate.

PM me if interested.

Bigelboe · 3rd June 2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trend.whore

Er if you have no wastegate it will freeboost lol. Effectively meaning infinate boost. I'd say it's in yuor best interests to have a wastegate =)

Infinite boost ay, id be keen on some of that

Just thought I might take the tim to explain it a bit better rather than 15 people saying its stupid.

The wastegate controls the speed of the turbo charger, to prevent it either damaging itself, or producing too much boost and adamaging your engine. If you run without one it will just produce the most boost it is capable of which your engine will probably (definately) not be capable of handling unless its built VERY tuff.

I suggest you take colza up on his offer above, an internal wastegate doesn't take up much room and does a good job at controlling boost etc.

VTAKYO · 3rd June 2008, 11:45 AM

I'll pay you 20bux to weld a referee's whistle to the wastegate pipe that comes off the manifold. Seriously. It would be - epic.

DO IT. YOU CAN DOOOO IT.

DURTYEF3 · 3rd June 2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTAKYO

I'll pay you 20bux to weld a referee's whistle to the wastegate pipe that comes off the manifold. Seriously. It would be - epic.

DO IT. YOU CAN DOOOO IT.

lulz, damn i never thought of that ..

Thats soooo rangi, but original.

grandell · 3rd June 2008, 12:34 PM

you can already get whistling BOV's can't you?

DURTYEF3 · 3rd June 2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandell

you can already get whistling BOV's can't you?

Yeah pretty sure you can, but whistling wastegates?

Pommy · 3rd June 2008, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

best post in this thread

x2, the guy's sig implies lack of all round knowledge

DonT WrIte DIs wAI DudE

Matty · 3rd June 2008, 02:51 PM

Speedtech make ECUs now? Andre's been holding out on me!

DC2r · 3rd June 2008, 02:55 PM

I say go external wastegate... go on, bitches' love it

SLOTEG · 3rd June 2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTAKYO

I'll pay you 20bux to weld a referee's whistle to the wastegate pipe that comes off the manifold. Seriously. It would be - epic.

DO IT. YOU CAN DOOOO IT.

you can get these whistle things you put in your exhaust and when ya gas it, out comes a whistle
i hear they are all the rage in gore

DURTYEF3 · 3rd June 2008, 08:55 PM

Fuck the gate. Getta Fence

Sleepy · 3rd June 2008, 09:31 PM

Weld another turbo coming off an external and hook it up to your air conditioning! Turbz that shiz

2nd June 2008, 03:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
vtec2nv Senior Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 143 Location: Auckland	Wastegate or not?? Hey Guys, Just after some techo knowledge... I've run out of room to put an External wastegate on my EF3 The factory internal wastegate on the TD05h is all welded shut. >> Question: Do I have to have a Wastegate at all??? >> What will happen if i weld up my external port and just run the car without a wastegate??? >>> Will it still boost??? __________________ EF3 Si TurBz In Da BuiLD TD05h, 40mm External, Speedtech ECU

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trend.whore Senior Member 11,000rpm (Spoon B16B!!) Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,571 Location: North Shore City	Re: Wastegate or not?? Er if you have no wastegate it will freeboost lol. Effectively meaning infinate boost. I'd say it's in yuor best interests to have a wastegate =) __________________ CHECK OUT OUR BRAND NEW WEBSITE! Moonlight Racing / A'PEXi, HKS, Greddy, Cusco and many more!

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Horny_Devil Senior Member 18,000rpm+ Honda F1! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 11,967 Location: Auckland	Re: Wastegate or not?? Forced Induction: Threads of interest read those then ask ur questions alternativly use google to look up the purpose of a seategate __________________ D Series Guru My Profile - My Website - My Build Thread V2.0

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DURTYEF3 Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,658 Location: Auckland	Re: Wastegate or not?? Yes you will need a wastegate, be it internal or external. Obviously internal not really an option seen as its welded now. MAKE room for the external gate. Im sure you'll find room. Got a pic?. __________________ \| DC2 Project \| DC Squad \| Bros Engineering \|

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AccordB20A Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag) Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 486 Location: Stratford	Re: Wastegate or not?? use google. if you want to spend $$ you can run your car without a wastegate. i r has seen it done __________________ Fail

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Built4Speed Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 245 Location: Palmerston North	Re: Wastegate or not?? It needs to be said, that if you dont know how a wastegate works and why you need one, you shouldnt be turboing a car! __________________ 1996 Asti RS L0FLYA 14.53 @ 94.7mph - DECEASED 1989 Cyborg Race Car - EX 1991 Lancer GSR RS/Evo 2 Race Car - IN THE BUILD

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madDC4 Senior Member 5,000rpm (VTEC Power!) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,006 Location: Auckland	Re: Wastegate or not?? There must be room for the wastegate, you can have it coming off pretty much anywhere between the head and turbo exhaust housing, some people have even modified the turbo exhaust housing to have the gate coming off it. Post some pics, im sure theres a way to do it. __________________ http://nzhondas.com/forum/members/maddc4.html

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Hayce Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,558 Location: Hamilton	Re: Wastegate or not?? wow... Your sig says 40mm external? __________________ ..................EK molester!..................Total Performance Motorsport..................gtrefinishers

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CoupeTurbo Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Outside NZ: Australia	Re: Wastegate or not?? ^^ haha

3rd June 2008, 02:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
crxmad Member 700rpm (Idle) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 49 Location: Napier	Re: Wastegate or not?? Hey let us know when the big day is so we can all come and watch lol Not only will your car be faster, it will be a bit lighter too without the extra weight of the wastegate setup. Now on a more serious note you could always go and buy a blown Td05 and use the exhaust housing off that otherwise ud better take out life insurance!!

3rd June 2008, 09:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
Colza Senior Member 6,000rpm (Max Torque) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,236 Location: Palmerston North	Re: Wastegate or not?? I will be running a TD05 with an external, however the internal gate on my housing has not been welded up yet. If you want to arrange a swap you could use my housing which would allow you to use the internal wastegate. PM me if interested. __________________ I'm in ur loop, iterating ur variable!

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VTAKYO Team NZH: Retired 11,000rpm (Spoon B16B!!) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,898 Location: Christchurch	Re: Wastegate or not?? I'll pay you 20bux to weld a referee's whistle to the wastegate pipe that comes off the manifold. Seriously. It would be - epic. DO IT. YOU CAN DOOOO IT. __________________ ¤ HYDR8 @ Trance.NU :: Parkour - Because Sidewalks Suck ¤ ¤ Afterhours FM :: Redefining The Media ¤

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