Problems on d15b turbos

[Naturally Aspirated]

Originally Posted by b16a2

id say turbo d will go alot better than b18c or even b18cr with bolt ons and tune.. people making 150-160wkw on hondatech all day everyday without anything special and if you do it proply with good tune it will be reliable and comfortable for a daily driver... plus d series are lighter than b so id rather have turbo D anyday than na b18c/r eg

Lololol jason........i sense a hint of biass....correct me if im wrong hahahha

turbo d is ok, but fuck what a waste of time...... i havnt seen a hlaf decent example of one in this country as of yet (with respect to making power). Waiting for GFX's build (:thumbsup and power figures. But hes spent alot of money on his FI gear and has a forged motor.

6.5psi on a d15b at 7500 = ghey.

I honestly hope im wrong but i dont think you will be beating ryan, lyndsays and bens evo's and the (caldina/skyline....you know which ones) with a stock d16a turbo.

Even if you keep up just remember that, their motors are doing what they are built for whereas you will be pushing yours to its limits.
Keeping up for what you have doesnt count for shit.

And what the yanks consider a "not so flash" setup can get pretty intense money and mod wise.

But lets see.

[d16a7]

varun you do realise that with my motor i can make 60 more HP at the wheels before it starts getting dodgey.. lol even then i can still push it for another 40hp on top of that..

there are people on here that have made 170kw atw in the past on stock blocks.. i intend on pushing that.. + more with stock block..

could go forged but too much cost in that...

and plus turbo D just keeps on pulling.. get to the top of one gear.. and keeps pulling in the next.. all the way through...

and in the states people daily push 300hp out of the stock D's... and there are even some that break the 350whp mark... (fuck that on stock bottom end)

sometime in the near future when funds allow i wanna re tune with more boost.. 6.5PSi is boring.. even tho its got 144wkw.. its still boring.. (but still fun too)

*edit* 3000th post.. damn im a whore

[thirdson]

6.5 psi??id be okay with that really..im only a car enthusiast and just having the d ninja boosted is enough (for me) to know that ive got something that not alotta people here have got with their hondas..most people boost the b series engines but you dont see alota Ds boosted here..only one ive seen is b16a2's (i think it is)..and having a sleeper look is one of the upsides..

[CVCONP]

hey go the d series turbos im running a TDo5 16g on my baby running 8psi
it does the job
i reackon go for it cheers mate

[b16a2]

Originally Posted by Naturally Aspirated

Lololol jason........i sense a hint of biass....correct me if im wrong hahahha

turbo d is ok, but fuck what a waste of time...... i havnt seen a hlaf decent example of one in this country as of yet (with respect to making power). Waiting for GFX's build (:thumbsup and power figures. But hes spent alot of money on his FI gear and has a forged motor.

6.5psi on a d15b at 7500 = ghey.

I honestly hope im wrong but i dont think you will be beating ryan, lyndsays and bens evo's and the (caldina/skyline....you know which ones) with a stock d16a turbo.

Even if you keep up just remember that, their motors are doing what they are built for whereas you will be pushing yours to its limits.
Keeping up for what you have doesnt count for shit.

And what the yanks consider a "not so flash" setup can get pretty intense money and mod wise.

But lets see.

=Luke

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by Naturally Aspirated

Lololol jason........i sense a hint of biass....correct me if im wrong hahahha

turbo d is ok, but fuck what a waste of time...... i havnt seen a hlaf decent example of one in this country as of yet (with respect to making power). Waiting for GFX's build (:thumbsup and power figures. But hes spent alot of money on his FI gear and has a forged motor.

6.5psi on a d15b at 7500 = ghey.

I honestly hope im wrong but i dont think you will be beating ryan, lyndsays and bens evo's and the (caldina/skyline....you know which ones) with a stock d16a turbo.

Even if you keep up just remember that, their motors are doing what they are built for whereas you will be pushing yours to its limits.
Keeping up for what you have doesnt count for shit.

And what the yanks consider a "not so flash" setup can get pretty intense money and mod wise.

But lets see.

A stock d16 turbo can be pretty quick you just haven't seen much therefore don't know what your talking about.

[Hayce]

lulz.

Well a D @ ~8psi on a small T25 is pretty uninspiring

[Naturally Aspirated]

Originally Posted by b16a2

=Luke

lol either way what does it matter.

Uhmmm so your saying that you would rather a d15b or d16a turbo rather than a b18c-R eg? funny that because im sure youre asking for a part trade for a b18c-R conversion for your forged b16b block for your daily which just so happens to be an eg.

So in your opinion, b18cR eg's are weaker than d16a turbos, but you want to b18c-R your daily eg.....

Right.....

[Naturally Aspirated]

Oooh and aaron, just a question..

Is your car running right at the moment? still making the 144wkw at 6.5psi thresh or is something in the tune playing up?

Just a question as ive been wondering? im sure the answer to this will be of great interest to jason.

Chur

[Hayce]

Err why can't he want an NA motor for a daily driver? The point of a daily driver is reliability no? not out right power...

[b16a2]

wheres the love varun, or did we loose the cricket after me n J left?? or u just had a bad day

[Naturally Aspirated]

I cant recall about the cricket because i left shortly afterwards, days been mean bro... woke up at 12 ate slept and ate.....oh and the love is always there, u know it!! haha

well lets see what jasons car does. :thumnsup:

[doo0T!doo0T!]

I dont even know where to start with this thread.
I dont know whether to laugh or cry at both what the OP has written and half of what has been fed back to him.
i think the only wise thing i read was B16a2's comment.

This goes out to pretty much everyone in this thread....

Just because it is a d-series does not automatically put it into the poo basket.
I'm not being biased either because I've had enough other engine combinations now to compare. But what I can say honestly in my own experience is the turbo-D will pull the pants down and brutally rape every other NA engine combination I have tried.

Comparing to a NA black top B18c....pft please...
Even my B18cR was uninspirational and downright boring in comparison to the turbo-D and I'm only running a T25.
The H22a felt the closest because of the good torque but it's still nothing like the turbo-D. And it was 600cc bigger.
The whole reason for me jeopardizing my marriage and sinking cash I don't have into an H2B swap is because i was so downright dissapointed with what was supposed to be the NA status quo in the B18cR.
I'll be surprised if even the euroR H2B is close to the turbo-D in not only get-up-and-go but also just sheer grin factor.
I would love it if it was but I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe I need to give more rides in the turbo-D or something. Turbo D kicks ass, mines done 5000k's now boosted to 16psi, it's running stock internals and has weathered 3 major overheats and is still running mint.
I'm not saying it's as fast as a B or H series Turbo, of course it's not but it will easily eat NA's for breakfast.

Do you know what the best bit was too? The brand new fully assembled short-block from Honda was $280. $280 And it only weight 48kgs, I know because i had it posted to me.

A d-series is torquey because of the long stroke small bore configuration, it doesn't rev as high as a B for the same reason but it makes torque in the mid range where you need it when you put your foot down. that torque factor is amplified when you start to put boost in it.
My B18cR's peak torque was 7800rpm. What the fuck is the point of that? Who wants to do 7800rpm when they are trying to pass a truck up a hill with mates in the back. It makes you look like a cocksmoker.
Fine on the track but unless you live in the country with no neighbours its a waste of time on the road.

As far as reliability goes, well thats still up in the air, 5000k's isn't much but Nigel put nearly 80,000 on his boosted and when i stripped down his engine it was still mint.
A good tune will save your engine, dont boost it cold, dont boost it in high gears at low rpm, basically treat it with a bit of respect and mechanical sense but that applies for all manner of turbo hondas not just D's.

The turbo D is hungry, mainly because you just cant not drive it without giving it a curry at every opportunity, oh that and it has 580cc injectors and a V8 Commodore fuel pump but in saying that the fuel economy is way better than I ever expected it to be.
I got right around the Waiuku Touge tour trail we did and back out to Waiuku again for storage on one tank and that was a lot of spirited driving.
I've never measured k's to a tank but it's pretty good, no worse than the B18cR in normal driving (if thats possible)

Interestingly too one of the most economical cars in the world is a turbo-D too remember.. a record breaker infact, it's a 3 wheeler with a fuel atomised turbo d15b

Anyway bottom-line, turbo D is excellent bang for buck, even if you could get the same performance out of an NA b16a or even B18c (which I doubt is even possible) it would cost you probably 4 times as much and probably be less reliable.

My motor is 160wkw and I could probably do it again exactly the same for about $4000 including hondata and tune etc
The only other b series I know of with the same wkw is a 2 litre and cost the dude a shit load more than that and I bet he still has less torque.

End of rant. Nomex flame suit on. Bring it.

[d16a7]

Originally Posted by Naturally Aspirated

Oooh and aaron, just a question..

Is your car running right at the moment? still making the 144wkw at 6.5psi thresh or is something in the tune playing up?

Just a question as ive been wondering? im sure the answer to this will be of great interest to jason.

Chur

its running right again.. it was running like shit as i had the boost controller settings wrong but now its back pulling more than a school boy at pak college..

and my reasoning for going turbo is it cost me less than what a b18cr or h22a conversion was gonna cost.. and i already had all the big power parts...

and damn mike thats a big post but all true..

d ninja T is near on Par with h22a EG.. and as for fun factor.. well i dunno.. both are equally fun..

for a daily i wouldnt recommend turbo unless you know what you are doing and can diagnose things easily...

[b16a2]

varun if your making 160wkw from a d16a turbo thats a good 20kw more than b18cr with bolt ons and tune plus d series lighter so work it out urself
better hp to weight ratio
better torque to weight ratio plus d series motors are alot lighter to

power is power if your making 160wkw and 30% more torque and alot more in low revs wont it be alot faster than a car making m140wkw with 2/3rds the torque?

and gearing aint gna play that much of a factor for D cause if you go turbo you got torque?

my 2 cents

JASon

[doo0T!doo0T!]

Originally Posted by b16a2

varun if your making 160wkw from a d16a turbo thats a good 20kw more than b18cr with bolt ons and tune plus d series lighter so work it out urself
better hp to weight ratio
better torque to weight ratio plus d series motors are alot lighter to

power is power if your making 160wkw and 30% more torque and alot more in low revs wont it be alot faster than a car making m140wkw with 2/3rds the torque?

and gearing aint gna play that much of a factor for D cause if you go turbo you got torque?

my 2 cents

JASon

at Jason..
I think it's more than 30% more torque too, mine was 570wNm or something ridiculous on the speedfactor dyno, I thing D16a7's car was around 400wNm. Its that long stroke thing i was talking about before.
D's are actually great for gearing, there are a multitude of interchangable gear-sets from a lot of different models, there seems to be more freedom than B-series. It's one of the reasons for the H2D kit.

Originally Posted by d16a7

d ninja T is near on Par with h22a EG.. and as for fun factor.. well i dunno.. both are equally fun..

Nah I've had both and disagree, I think I need to take you for a cane. 20 bucks says you wind up the boost when you get home. I don't know how you've stayed on 6 psi for so long.

BOOOOOOOOOSST!!

[d16a7]

stayed on 6PSi for so long cos i dont have the money for a re tune.. hah!...

and luke and jason are brothers.. and use the same account...

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by Hayce

lulz.

Well a D @ ~8psi on a small T25 is pretty uninspiring

Depends what your comparing it to, it would be on par with a b18cr easy.
Pretty boring compared to some modified performance cars out there though for sure.

[doo0T!doo0T!]

Originally Posted by d16a7

and luke and jason are brothers.. and use the same account...

Ah that explains a bit then

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by turbozxi

Depends what your comparing it to, it would be on par with a b18cr easy.
Pretty boring compared to some modified performance cars out there though for sure.

Well I wasn't really comparing it to anything. I've not gone in with this D-T vs NA debate... Don't care much about NA.
I have driven a load of cars both turbo and NA & any of my previous turbo cars (fairest being BFMR fwd turbo I suppose) felt more impressive.
Hardly a scientific test haha but it doesn't really need to be to back up a comment like "inspiring"

Out of interest, what would you compare them to?

Originally Posted by doo0T!doo0T!

Ah that explains a bit then

It sure doe's I was all

[turbozxi]

Damn just wrote up a decent reply then it logged me out.

I was comparing them to other n/a hondas really like they are attempting to debate.

My own car on about 8psi didn't feel very fast you didn't get a rush of torque like other factory turbo cars, it acclerated smoothly something to do with the compression and low boost level. It was faster then it felt.

Still it would beat most stockish turbo cars wouldn't worry about stock BFMR's skylines wrx's anything like that.

I don't care at all these days, hondas aren't fast true street cars imo, but they can be good fun.

[vti]

Originally Posted by d16a7

d ninja T is near on Par with h22a EG.. and as for fun factor.. well i dunno.. both are equally fun..

i have been in aarons car and used to own mikes old h22a eg both fun cars and awesome torque

if(whens probably more likely but meh) i go back to honda i will build a d ninja turbo for fun and will forge the block and push to run 18psi up the bloody thing for shits and giggles and to show you fuckers out there that have no idea when to shut the fuck up
i built a b18c civic and was higly dissapointed with it infact i thought there was something wrong with the motor because its lack of torque untill 6000rpm when it pulled but like mike/dootdoot said its absolutely useless on the street because if you rev it that high you look like a twat and on twisty roads with sharp corners it sucks too. as far as bang for buck goes h22a is the best combo compared to b18c/cr. d-ninja turbo is pure fun and excitment as far as i see it, im sure those with turbo d-ninjas will agree with me there, the way i see it if you havent been in a turbo d-ninja then dont comment because you wont have the slightest clue.


end of the day dude i say go for it! do what you want to do dont listen to people that think they know what they talking about specially if they avnt ever owned a boosted honda/anycar or keep breaking their n/a hondas, which seems to be more reliable in most peoples eyes.... its all in the tune bro

[hybrid_H]

"Naturally Aspirated" calm down man...

i think unless you've owned a turbo d is hard to say whats faster by just talking power figures. "Thirdson" id suggest u ask aaron for a ride in his car, then compare that to a ride in a B18cr powered car.

there is alot more torque with the turbo d. i know its a tiny lil sohc engine, but its hella fun to drive. u can buy greddy turbo kits really cheap nowadays, that will be reliable. all u need after that is a good tune, which is easy to find i.e. speedfactor etc

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts...=p4506.c0.m245

^^^ just an example of what you can get for a decent price, and decent product.

[thirdson]

Originally Posted by doo0T!doo0T!

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... it's running stock internals and has weathered 3 major overheats and is still running mint.
I'm not saying it's as fast as a B or H series Turbo, of course it's not but it will easily eat NA's for breakfast.

Do you know what the best bit was too? The brand new fully assembled short-block from Honda was $280. $280 And it only weight 48kgs, I know because i had it posted to me.

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The turbo D is hungry, mainly because you just cant not drive it without giving it a curry at every opportunity, oh that and it has 580cc injectors and a V8 Commodore fuel pump but in saying that the fuel economy is way better than I ever expected it to be.
I got right around the Waiuku Touge tour trail we did and back out to Waiuku again for storage on one tank and that was a lot of spirited driving.
I've never measured k's to a tank but it's pretty good, no worse than the B18cR in normal driving (if thats possible)

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End of rant. Nomex flame suit on. Bring it.

stock internals?with that new short block from honda, i would expect that it wouldve be atleast a tad better than the block that comes with the jap imported cars right?like it wouldve been stronger (maybe better internals) than say the D i got in my eg right now (saying it was assembled a few years ago and its got a few ks under it)..and i would expect abit more problems since its older??

and thanks..someones finally answered my question bout the comparison of the b18cr and boosted d

Originally Posted by hybrid_H

"Naturally Aspirated" cal