Stock ignition vs MSD

[Coupe-R]

I kinda like to keep things simple.
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[phonix]

If Blundar & xenocron don't like them you have to wonder...

Stock dizzy for me, just replaced cap, coil, rotor, ign module. Had no breakup on the dyno.

[Hayce]

As said before, MSD on a honda can stuck it.

[b18c1]

but thats for the msd box aye? whats your opinions on msd cap and external coil? or is that also crap?

[mr.sky]

why bother when stock ignition system can handle plenty. Waste money and wear out your dizzy faster lose/lose

[turboteg]

how do you figure an external coil will wear out a distributor quicker? from what i have read i would steer well clear of msd ignition boxes, but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with msd external coil caps or there coils, mine has been on my car for years with no problems.

an external coil is a very good upgrade for any honda distributor because of the heat that is generated by the coil when it is inside the distributor, its been proven thousands of times that new honda ignition components can support very high hp setups, but how long they will last is definitely reduced by excessive heat buildup.

[agroek]

Originally Posted by mr.sky

why bother when stock ignition system can handle plenty. Waste money and wear out your dizzy faster lose/lose

im going to upgrade mine its causing few problems!!

think its get heat soak!!

[Coupe-R]

Key point is, don't go spending money in places it may not need to be.

I would keep it simple, get new coil and leads, mayeb rotor and cap too if you want, get new plugs. Check the gap if you have break up.

Then work from there

[ashwin]

will any difference be made if i just change the spark plug leads or is it better to keep it stock??

[phonix]

Originally Posted by ashwin

will any difference be made if i just change the spark plug leads or is it better to keep it stock??

You will only notice a difference if your current leads are faulty. Otherwise spend the money somewhere else.

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by ashwin

will any difference be made if i just change the spark plug leads or is it better to keep it stock??

It made alot of difference in my b18cr engine when I used my mates 8.8 or 8.9mm spark plug leads!

Alot smoother engine idling better and much more smoother acceleration lot more power spark when on vtec! I would say 10 to 15% increase in power over my stock leads!!!!

If you want to go aftermarket go for a known brand and thick ones over stock it will definitly improve the performance if not lot smoother engine.

[d16a7]

dude stfu! dyno tests show honda leads to aftermarket leads.. nothing changed and the car gains no power..

the only leads that id possibly ever consider is Spoon.. even then itd only be if they were cheap.. and for the fact that its spoon

factory is best.. brand new factory is MINT, as long as the leads are in good nick they are fine and you only think it runs better because you want to feel as if your $200 (or near that) that you spent on leads actually means something..

/end rant

[Coupe-R]

simple answer, the leads in your B18CR were screwed BEFORE. They don't last forever you know.

go buy some brand new honda/ngk replacement leads
vs your chur as g flash leads.

see if you notice a difference

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by d16a7

dude stfu! dyno tests show honda leads to aftermarket leads.. nothing changed and the car gains no power..

the only leads that id possibly ever consider is Spoon.. even then itd only be if they were cheap.. and for the fact that its spoon

factory is best.. brand new factory is MINT, as long as the leads are in good nick they are fine and you only think it runs better because you want to feel as if your $200 (or near that) that you spent on leads actually means something..

/end rant

I think you need to stfu A**hole. Have some manners before you start typing and go back to school!

Ive tested it on many cars certainly it doesnt gives you any kW on the dyno but the engine runs better over stock spark leads!



hahah I dont even have them I just gave them a try as they were in my mates b16. I will buy one soon looking at NGK or MSD

[Coupe-R]

I don't believe you

Stock honda or even NGK over MSD leads for honda.

have a decent read up on google about the truth behind spark wires. There is actually ONE set of REALLY good spark wires out there, can't remember the name,

anyways you have a low demand stock ignition setup (not a drag car ignition setp)

I would love to see a better running honda B or H series on MSD or NGK leads vs brand new honda leads.

[Hayce]

^^ thinking of nology? Thought they were meant to be better.

[MyH22A]

But why would so many aftermarket companys make them if they were'nt any better? surely they do something other than just look good.

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by ice2004

I think you need to stfu A**hole. Have some manners before you start typing and go back to school!

Ive tested it on many cars certainly it doesnt gives you any kW on the dyno but the engine runs better over stock spark leads!



hahah I dont even have them I just gave them a try as they were in my mates b16. I will buy one soon looking at NGK or MSD

You were claiming a 10-15% power increase just before?

I have had the full MSD ignition system in my car compared to the factory ignition there is no difference. I took it out and sold it went back to stock. That was when i had about doubled the factory power output of my engine as well.

Simple answer searching the forums would help you to modify your car in the future.

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by MyH22A

But why would so many aftermarket companys make them if they were'nt any better? surely they do something other than just look good.

I will give you one guess.

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by MyH22A

But why would so many aftermarket companys make them if they were'nt any better? surely they do something other than just look good.

Excactly Im sure they will atleast gives you something for example the MSD 8.5mm " Stock wires have a resistance of around 1200 ohms per foot and in comparison the MSD ones have 30-40 ohms per foot. So basically all of the spark provided from the coil gets to the plug with less loss coming from the wires."

I want to see any of you that disagree with me to proove me wrong with some back up and some dyno results or whatever something realistic so I can say you are right!

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by turbozxi

You were claiming a 10-15% power increase just before?

I have had the full MSD ignition system in my car compared to the factory ignition there is no difference. I took it out and sold it went back to stock. That was when i had about doubled the factory power output of my engine as well.

Simple answer searching the forums would help you to modify your car in the future.

How about if you read this and tell me what you think?

NGK Power Cable

NGK's Power Cable is a performance spark plug cable designed with ultra-low resistance (0.9kW/m). The ultra-low resistance reduces spark energy loss, thereby improving acceleration, delivering smoother idling, and burning fuel cleaner. NGK's patented hyper silicon jacket minimizes voltage leakage, is resistant to heat and chemical corrosion, and it is reliable under extreme conditions. It's the hyper silicon jacket and the ultra-low resistance that allows NGK to maintain the factory diameter wires and provide the performance you crave.
Ultra Low Resistance Reduces Spark Energy Loss
Improves Acceleration
Delivers Smooth Idling
Improves Fuel Efficiency

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by ice2004

How about if you read this and tell me what you think?

Did you read what I posted? I have tried both on the same setup. Stock first then the full msd kit ignition box, external coil, and leads. And then back to stock theres no difference. Infact the MSD boxs are known to cause problems on dynos.

Waste your money if you will, if you can't figure out why companies make products I feel sorry for you.

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by turbozxi

Did you read what I posted? I have tried both on the same setup. Stock first then the full msd kit ignition box, external coil, and leads. And then back to stock theres no difference. Infact the MSD boxs are known to cause problems on dynos.

Waste your money if you will, if you can't figure out why companies make products I feel sorry for you.

Hahaha I know exactly what you posted and I have given you feedback as what will happen if you change to decent aftermarket ones simply demostrated to you!

Yes that MSD boxes are not really great sometimes on some engines but I would say for my engine and many others who agree with me its a real simple and easy upgrade to do on your engine!

I think you need to try some different spark plug leads and spark plugs to see how it will make difference to your engine as most people like you think that a spark plug is a spark plug but talking technically it does makes difference and improves the performance of the engine if used the right product and installed professionally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[turboteg]

what a joke, 10 -15% from aftermarket leads!

i guess everybody can stop doing the tried and proven exhaust, inlet, and a retune now. just throw some of these ngk leads on and you're done!

i'm ditching my stock honda leads, another 100hp here we come! lol

seriousily tho ice2004 you shouldn't be telling us to show you proof that they don't work, you should be showing us dyno proof that they did give you 10-15% increase.

and i really hope that you dont believe every sales pitch from manufacturers of aftermarket parts or you're going to be a very dissappointed person!

[Hayce]

Ohh please keep going this could be great entertainment!!