Stock ignition vs MSD

[VTAKYO]

Man, don't listen to these retards. I know it will work, but you just have to make some changes to account for the power increase.

Make sure to run no more than 25psi in your tyres when changing leads. Also retard the dizzy timing about 6 degrees to account for the massive influx of current to your sparkplugs (which must be gapped to about 20mm and the discharge point coated in a NIFOC approved silicone agent to prevent electrode breakdown). Because of the increase in spark temperature you must drill twelve 30mm holes in the intake pipe to decrease the intake charge temperature, along with shifting the intake cam four teeth ahead in its stage. For maximum power increase, bridge all four discharge points on the distributor cap, from the inside, with a minimum of 5awg solidcore wire, as this will allow the full current of the coil to reach each plug, instead of dividing it by 4 for economy.

If this doesn't help, let us know.

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by ice2004

My whole argument was mainly based or aiming at that decent aftermarket leads are certainly better than old OEM leads if you wanted to change your leads and that power gain was just an opinion from my point of view and some others furthermore if you dont agree thats fine its a feeling you sometimes get when you change something on your car you know!


Say for now we wait and I actually install those leads on my car and I tell you what improvements I will encounter. Keep you updated soon hopefully by end of next week.

yea but the fact is that we all proved ur opinion wrong with facts, and yet u still think ur right? your going off info u got from somewhere, or whats more than likely info u made up in ur head.

the improvements that u will get from installing your leads will be to make up any power loss from the degradation of the current leads on ur car, thats the power gain u will feel, if there is in fact any power gain to feel.

just admit u were wrong and move on, cause u were so far off the mark ur almost on a different planet.

[WTNESS]

Originally Posted by VTAKYO

Man, don't listen to these retards. I know it will work, but you just have to make some changes to account for the power increase.

Make sure to run no more than 25psi in your tyres when changing leads. Also retard the dizzy timing about 6 degrees to account for the massive influx of current to your sparkplugs (which must be gapped to about 20mm and the discharge point coated in a NIFOC approved silicone agent to prevent electrode breakdown). Because of the increase in spark temperature you must drill twelve 30mm holes in the intake pipe to decrease the intake charge temperature, along with shifting the intake cam four teeth ahead in its stage. For maximum power increase, bridge all four discharge points on the distributor cap, from the inside, with a minimum of 5awg solidcore wire, as this will allow the full current of the coil to reach each plug, instead of dividing it by 4 for economy.

If this doesn't help, let us know.

Originally Posted by americ_ian

improvements u may encounter?
wat is this a merry quest of somesort?

"today wen i was driving home from work, i hit vtec and noticed it was significantly louder than yesterday"

"i used to idle at 699rpm, but now my idle is much more smoother! i can feel the power at 701rpm"

"wen i took one of the leads off while the car was still running, and touched the end with a wet finger, i noticed more power shocking thru my body, than wen i use a dry finger"

"wednesdays are better than tuesdays at being able to feel the power of my MSD leads, but thursdays feel like old leads, kinda like my mates car."

"tomorrow im going to tell my mate to buy some msd leads, and do the finger test, to show him the new found power and improvements i encounter'd on my quest"

lolastiactiriatratiaticlolloololz

[sk-itr]

hahaha I dont think Im wrong here maybe you are but not me. I think its you that needs to move on!

You were the one that is arguing back so move on and be the man.

Btw I still got the leads and still will use them over OEM anyday!

[WTNESS]

theres a saying that goes something like this:

let the dog bark by himself, sooner or later he will shut up!

[VTAKYO]

Originally Posted by WTNESS

theres a saying that goes something like this:

let the dog bark by himself, sooner or later he will shut up!

Or be impounded/shot....

[WTNESS]

yea something along those lines

[nemesisteg]

wow i tried to reply to this when it was only one or two pages long but forums were messin with me and i couldnt post, wow sure got out of hand in that amount of time!!! basically with leads the idea of MSD leads or the likes, they are designed to stop electrical interference. this is just something us honda folk dont get because the leads come out of the dizzy and straight into the tappet cover without crossing anything else electrical. its along the same theory of running electrical cables next to data cables in your home or office etc. simple fact is there is little to no interference at all in most hondas. some people dont understand this strategy when running external coils and might run the coil lead across things in the bay that may cause interference, or the fact you have to crimp the coil lead yourself which can often be a weak point.
aaannyyywwaayy.. i run MSD sport compact digital ignition, when n/a it offered me no extra power but did absolute wonders for fuel consumption!! in saying that tho id put a wager on it that the spark i generate pwns most stock honda sparks which cant be a bad thing. at the end of the day it has to come back to a degree of tuning, you wouldnt add a huge amount of air without re-tuning, like you wouldnt add fuel without tuning, last thing in the equation is the spark, surely having excess spark isnt going to blow your motor but without tuning to bring in more air and fuel that beefy spark you've aquired is going to gain you jack without a tickle up

[tysonzane]

Just roll on the dyno guys. Sounds like the only way this arguments going to be sorted.

I'll even donate some Spoon leads to be tested at the same time just shits and giggles.

Dyno time!!!

[nemesisteg]

if someone on here is dumb enough to pay for that ammount of time on the dyno to do some testing of something which at the end of the day is never going to gain you a great deal either way
i'll give you my car to test it on, complete with msd ignition external coil and leads

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by ice2004

hahaha I dont think Im wrong here maybe you are but not me. I think its you that needs to move on!

You were the one that is arguing back so move on and be the man.

Btw I still got the leads and still will use them over OEM anyday!

im sorry but ur wrong and if u thing otherwise put ur money where ur mouth is, show up to the dyno and well do the test. otherwise untill u can prove otherwise please refrain from posting in this thread as ur information isnt based on any facts at all

[Coupe-R]

Howsit nemesisteg

Yours is one of the only posts in a long while that relates to my origonal post.
Read through the thread at ectune (the first post) and see what experiences others have had with MSD ignition.

You are correct about the interference too

[nemesisteg]

yeah i had a geez, i think it would be pretty fair to say that the MSD ignition systems definately up the anti when it comes to your ignition, problem is the instalation. if you have any of the wiring crossing other critical wiring than you will have interference with the current flowing through said wiring. funny thing is everyone is talking about 6 and 6al ignitions etc, i dont have either of these, mines the silver box "sport compact digital ignition". im not standing up for MSD or anything because i personally wouldnt recommend running one of their boxes, your goals can be met without them especially considering the fact that you just never know whats going to happen! Jury is still out for me, my car had been running fine for some time but after sitting for a long time it began having issues on high boost. sure i thought about the msd but after having the car on the dyno apparently the tune was an absolute mess!! car has been sitting since february and yet to have the tune completed, who knows if the tuners do end up having problems when i finally get it done the msd box will more than likely be the first thing to be removed LOL

[blizard]

Probably put this in the daily soon. I'll be saving now for the chiropractic bills from the neck snapping kWs this will add