Stock ignition vs MSD

[turboteg]

Originally Posted by ice2004

Ive been learning all these stuff myself. I read and research alot. I teach myself from my experiences and knowledge I gained through out the ownership of my b18cr engine. so if you want to learn you are more than welcome to support me! lol

Im goning to have a big long laugh if I win this war lmao!
The other good thing is am a run a party for all Honda Society fans too.

this is my last comment on this thread as i really can't see it going anywhere, if anything it's going backwards!

it is obvious that you have learnt all this stuff yourself ice, because your knowledge is very limited and you aren't prepared to listen to anything that anybody has to say to you!

all you've achieved on this thread is to argue with and insult a lot of people with far more knowledge and first hand experiences than you're ever going to have!

your original post on here was an absolutely ridiculous statement as to what you can expect from aftermarket leads, you've since backed down a little but are still to ignorant to admit that you really have no first hand experience to base any of your bullshit on.

Jase has since offered you a deal that works in your favour, and out of it you may or may not get some credibility, but you're trying to back out of that now!

so unless you're prepared to put your money where your mouth is you should keep your unproven "guessing" (your words) to yourself!

bruce.

[Coupe-R]

HAHA

you see the funny thing is, I made this post NOT ABOUT MSD LEADS.

But simple people can only think as far as leads, actually read what my post is about and read through the threads and then you will see what the point of this post was.

P.S I run NGK blue leads
Ho au, I must think they give ,me a better spark

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

They are cheaper than OEM leads and fit in the factory plastic clips (same diametre) thats why so many people have NGK blue leads.

Not cause they think they are better than OEM
(I'd rather have OEM purely because the blue doesn't match my engine bay)

Thats about as far as that goes with leads, what colour do you like. HEHEHEH

[Hayce]

Thats why I just sold my red ones... looked yuck

[turbozxi]

Ice for mod in 08!!

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

oh man this is funny!!!

for the record I am fairly sure that NGK make Hondas ignition leads.

A set of the NGK blues for Bseries is around $90 bucks or so.

I have a bunch of MSD leads coming in from the states and shoudl be able to sell them for around the $150-160 mark.

People can then decide between something good or something good that looks good

[dazznz]

This is a great laugh of a post...

I really don't no why i bothered to spend shit loads of money going to a 2l b18cr, by the sounds of it i should have just bought some msd leads for $150........................

[Horny_Devil]

ok ice

if i supply the new OEM leads, and u loose, u will pay me what it cost me to buy the leads.

the rest of the deal is the same, 2 dyno runs on the stock old leads, 2 on the NEW OEM leads, and 2 on ur bling aftermarket ones.

u loose u pay for the dyno and pay me the price of the OEM leads. i loose i pay for the dyno and i keep the OEM leads i brought.

[DrRubber]

Hall Of Fucking Loltastic Vote X 1

[Coupe-R]

I suggest doing a few dyno runs on each so the power is the same (due to heak soak and intake, ect temps)

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

ok ice

if i supply the new OEM leads, and u loose, u will pay me what it cost me to buy the leads.

the rest of the deal is the same, 2 dyno runs on the stock old leads, 2 on the NEW OEM leads, and 2 on ur bling aftermarket ones.

u loose u pay for the dyno and pay me the price of the OEM leads. i loose i pay for the dyno and i keep the OEM leads i brought.

Thats fine! And might get in debt if I loose. hehehe

But I need to know how much will the OEM cost and the Dyno?, PM me for the price.

Actually today my mate installed his new MSD leads and he said that its much better and louder at Vtec and the car runs lot smoother!!!

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by Coupe-R

I suggest doing a few dyno runs on each so the power is the same (due to heak soak and intake, ect temps)

hence the 2 runs per test, thats more than adiquite

dyno $65, new leads not sure id have to find out.

much better and louder at Vtec and the car runs lot smoother

what no more power?

[sk-itr]

Hey Horney Devil I think you are right that guy didnt notice any power gain that shows to me that my OEM leads are gone lol so yeeeh you are right. I hope you are happy now!

I think I tried the 8.8mm on my dc2. TopGun leads

Might come down and Dyno them not sure if I get them by that time as the supplier ran out of stock and its been ordered to reach NZ.

That was a lolastiactiriatratiaticlolloololz argument for what wires! hahahha Good try kids

[Hayce]

LOL don't try and claim the high ground here sweetpea, you started the argument, you carried it on and you lost. If anything it's good try Ice but you = fail boat.

Marc send us out with one of your fail pictures would ya!

[WTNESS]

Originally Posted by ice2004

That was a lolastiactiriatratiaticlolloololz argument for what wires!

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[VTAKYO]

[Hayce]

lulz

[americ_ian]

Originally Posted by ice2004

That was a lolastiactiriatratiaticlolloololz argument for what wires! hahahha Good try kids

highhorse
/get off

kthxbi

[toda]

shizzle ...i want NGK leads for my k20 now man!!...

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

don't forget ngk cambelt

[Coupe-R]

Whether 2 runs is enough to rule out heat soak (engine not at the same temp, and more so intake not at same temp) etc is debateable.

Id do 3-4 runs on each set and make sure the power is the same on each run.

Actually today my mate installed his new MSD leads and he said that its much better and louder at Vtec and the car runs lot smoother!!!

Funny thing is, ice still doesn't get that putting new leads on a car with old leads makes it go better. NOT THE FACT THEY ARE MSD BLING LEADS.

hey I'll go get some 10-15 year old MSD leads and you can put them on and compare them with new OEM leads.
Because thats the compairson you have been making

[Horny_Devil]

but sam if the 2 runs end up being the same powerwise do u need to do 3-4 runs? at the last dyno day most of the runs were within 2hp of each other doing back to back dynos, and id put that partly down to inaccuracy of the dyno

and ICE, your a tool u really are, u argued ur point and were ignorant and arrogant and wouldnt listen, but now u change ur tune and think uve come out on top?

im sorry dude, but with your last post u just lost what little respect anyone on here had for you. and dont say you dont care what others think, cause that complete BS. Man up and admit u were wrong

next time, stop, think research then post and that order doesnt change

[DrRubber]

VANILLA MSD ICE

[Coupe-R]

but sam if the 2 runs end up being the same powerwise do u need to do 3-4 runs? at the last dyno day most of the runs were within 2hp of each other doing back to back dynos, and id put that partly down to inaccuracy of the dyno

too hard to say aye

think about it like this.
You drive onto the dyno from the street and do some runs at normal coolant and IAT temps (Intake Air Temp)
The car is sitting for about 10 mins while you change leads, IAT temps are through the roof (from heat soak of intake and intake manifold) and coolant temps have dropped.

you fire the car up and the dyno operator gets right to it, on the run the coolant temps come up and the IAT drops a little.
does a second run right after- coolant temps are about right and IAT temps drop more from the air cooling the intake at WOT.

those two runs maybe similar, maybe run 3-4 could be a little different, but when you are talking about comparing things like leads, the car is already strapped on the dyno and its not like its going to cost anymore. Heck a run only takes a few seconds.

Reason being is the ECU has offsets for ECT and IAT, also hotter air is less dense. Basically if you had a datalogger you could check that each run was made with the same IAT and ECT temps.
Thats how I tune (load the car up a little until the IAT temp is the same, only takes a few seconds of air to cool the IAT)
makes dyno tuning a little easier

however my reasoning was 3-4 runs would be more than enough to create a good average. I'd do at LEAST 3 runs on each of the leads (do the 3rd run right after the second, no mucking around)

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

but sam if the 2 runs end up being the same powerwise do u need to do 3-4 runs? at the last dyno day most of the runs were within 2hp of each other doing back to back dynos, and id put that partly down to inaccuracy of the dyno

and ICE, your a tool u really are, u argued ur point and were ignorant and arrogant and wouldnt listen, but now u change ur tune and think uve come out on top?

im sorry dude, but with your last post u just lost what little respect anyone on here had for you. and dont say you dont care what others think, cause that complete BS. Man up and admit u were wrong

next time, stop, think research then post and that order doesnt change

My whole argument was mainly based or aiming at that decent aftermarket leads are certainly better than old OEM leads if you wanted to change your leads and that power gain was just an opinion from my point of view and some others furthermore if you dont agree thats fine its a feeling you sometimes get when you change something on your car you know!


Say for now we wait and I actually install those leads on my car and I tell you what improvements I will encouter. Keep you updated soon hopefull by end of next week.

[americ_ian]

improvements u may encounter?
wat is this a merry quest of somesort?

"today wen i was driving home from work, i hit vtec and noticed it was significantly louder than yesterday"

"i used to idle at 699rpm, but now my idle is much more smoother! i can feel the power at 701rpm"

"wen i took one of the leads off while the car was still running, and touched the end with a wet finger, i noticed more power shocking thru my body, than wen i use a dry finger"

"wednesdays are better than tuesdays at being able to feel the power of my MSD leads, but thursdays feel like old leads, kinda like my mates car."

"tomorrow im going to tell my mate to buy some msd leads, and do the finger test, to show him the new found power and improvements i encounter'd on my quest"