Stock ignition vs MSD

[Horny_Devil]

the only way there will be a big increase in power is if the oprigional wire was fucked or had heaps of interfearance and the new wire corrected it.

wires are wires FFS.

also take the ohm readings with a grain of salt, an ohm meter measures in DC voltage, and the spark voltage allthough DC acts like AC so the ohm readings have no affect here. study a bit of electronics and ull see what i mean here.

when the ignition system is putting out over 10,000 volts having slightly higher resistance in ur wires is going make bugger all differance.

fact is unless u can provide dyno proof that they make a differance im gonna say its a matter of 1-3hp between wires

:edit:

and i found the test i was looking for (only took 30 mins on google ):
Tuner Performance Reports - TPRMag.com - Featured Article - The Lab: Fire Wires

check out the wires down the right side, theres all of 5hp differance in the tests

The Test Car
turbo EF Civic. This 1991 Honda Civic has been the recipient of a JDM B16 engine swap and a DRAG turbo system. In essence, it's your typical budget-oriented, turbo B-series buildup.

There is a great perception in the performance community that the lower the measured resistance of a wire than the higher the performance that the wire will deliver. As the results of our test show, this is not a true statement. The performance output of the engine was not a direct function of spark plug wire resistance. In fact, the used stock wire with the highest resistance outperformed one of the lower-resistance aftermarket wires. The bottom line is that spark plug wire resistance is really a marketing tool rather than a purchasing consideration.

[sk-itr]

So basically I am correct!

You will get increased power of more than +4HP over stock using the MSD 8.5mm leads as shown in the dyno compared to all other leads specially OEM leads.

I knew there will be difference as I noticed it straight away when I put those aftermarket leads on my engine even when its idling.

If you read somewhere in the article it states that aftermarket spark plug wires are a wise investment.

So who is more experienced here! I told you ive tested them myself and it did improve performance!

[sk-itr]

So basically I am correct!

You will get increased power of more than +4HP over stock using the MSD 8.5mm leads as shown in the dyno compared to all other leads specially OEM leads.

I knew there will be difference as I noticed it straight away when I put those aftermarket leads on my engine even when its idling.

If you read somewhere in the article it states that aftermarket spark plug wires are a wise investment.

So who is more experienced here! I told you ive tested them myself and it did improve performance!

Originally Posted by ice2004

When the results are reviewed, we believe that you will be convinced that high-quality, aftermarket spark plug wires are a wise investment.

[turboteg]

No that shows that you were totally incorrect, well thats how i interpreted it, you must be seeing something that the rest of us aren't if you still think your original statement is true!

That test shows an increase of 1.6% (which was 3.8hp not +4 as u stated) and that is on a turbocharged b16a were the ignition system (leads included) will be under more load than on your b18cr engine, yet you claim that you got 10-15% (20-30hp) with your change of leads!

still think you're correct?

[ashwin]

i would say that its a good idea to change to after market plug leads such as msd or ngk as they have more power flow so better fuel consumption and driving etc. it helps more as ensuring better connectivity rather then giving more hp unless u turbo charge a car and then the whole aftermarket ignition kit makes a difference in creating more hp

[sk-itr]

lol I was assuming or as a matter of fact guessing that I got 10% increase as Im not a computer to tell you how much exactly power I got doooh!

so yeah say I got 3 to 4HP increase.

So you still think that I should go and buy the OEM leads?

Yes I am correct because you disagree that Aftermarket wont make any different which it certaily does and it was prooven to you by me and the article so what you got to say now...

[b16a2]

Originally Posted by ice2004

lol I was assuming or as a matter of fact guessing that I got 10% increase as Im not a computer to tell you how much exactly power I got doooh!

so yeah say I got 3 to 4HP increase.

So you still think that I should go and buy the OEM leads?

Yes I am correct because you disagree that Aftermarket wont make any different which it certaily does and it was prooven to you by me and the article so what you got to say now...

You my friend are a munter, try listening to some people on here they know what theyre talking about

your argument is full of holes, its makes no sense, and you prrove yourself to be one of these internet critics who thinkt hey know it all but dont know shit

do you know that if i remove one of the bolts that holds my fender on, my car will be faster, technically my car is lighter( all be it 15 grams) so it should go faster, but we all know that this will not yield detectable results

hence what has been said by many posters above, sure you may get the slghtest increase in power or whatever you claim, response etc, but for the cost it is not worth it, i highly doubt you will notice it,

the only reson some people will feel a difference is if the oem leads are not functioning correctly,

and just a note on the dynp tests people do, i see many where they test a car with factory leads , who knows how long these leads have been on for? could be 50000kms, the leads could be getting old, then they substitute them with brand new aftermarket leads, yeah thats a fair test??

and just some qoutes to show you dont know what the hell your tlking about

Originally Posted by ice2004

lot more power spark when on vtec!

Originally Posted by ice2004

would say 10 to 15% increase in power over my stock leads!!!!

Originally Posted by ice2004

Ive tested it on many cars certainly it doesnt gives you any kW on the dyno

and the best for last, lol

Originally Posted by ice2004

it does makes difference and improves the performance of the engine if used the right product and installed professionally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man i dont wana stuff up my leads, better get them profesisonly installed

I wish this was HT, wed have 10 pages of abuse by now, your an idiot STFU & GTFO

[Horny_Devil]

the only reason u can notice the differance over stock is because the stock leads are old and would have deteriated. your stock leads are 100,000km+ old so the wire in them isnt exactally new so your not getting the best from them that you should. bascially all your doing by putting new leads on your car is brining you power back up to where it should be.

ice2004: unless you have a clue in what your talking about or even have some proof please refrain from posting your "assuming or as a matter of fact guessing" because ur giving people the wrong information and looking like a tool at the same time. and i really reeally doubt ull notice 4hp on the old bum dyno. sure ull notice it feels smoother but it will be ur mind palying tricks on u if you can feel it

b16a2: i lol'd

Originally Posted by ashwin

then the whole aftermarket ignition kit makes a difference in creating more hp

that statement is incorrect als, you dont need aftermarket ignition kits on a turbo car, infact its been proven that they are crap on hondas. an aftermarket coil to increase the stregnth of ur spark is all thats needed on a turboed vechical to prevent the spark being blown out.

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by ashwin

i would say that its a good idea to change to after market plug leads such as msd or ngk as they have more power flow so better fuel consumption and driving etc. it helps more as ensuring better connectivity rather then giving more hp unless u turbo charge a car and then the whole aftermarket ignition kit makes a difference in creating more hp

Yea this right here is bull shit too.

[sk-itr]

Im going to leave you to this and what I want you to do is sue all these companies who make these aftermarket wires for Honda cars then I might consider you are correct!!!!

Im going to get my engine brand new aftermarket leads and I want your engine to stay stock and replace it all the time with OEM bullshit and I will see you at the Dyno day again and will proove to you who makes more power!!!

Its getting to much indepth now and I dont want you guys to stay with your OEM leads because they really do suk compared to aftermarket wires. Thats my last and final comment on this thread if it doesnt get anymore personal than this

Peace.

[d16a7]

ah... people like you are the reason why these companies make so much money...

oh well you go in your direction and base your findings off what these companies say.. il stick with MR honda and his R&D.. as with most people that know honda engine builders, and done their own research on NZH do..

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by ice2004

Im going to leave you to this and what I want you to do is sue all these companies who make these aftermarket wires for Honda cars then I might consider you are correct!!!!

Im going to get my engine brand new aftermarket leads and I want your engine to stay stock and replace it all the time with OEM bullshit and I will see you at the Dyno day again and will proove to you who makes more power!!!

Its getting to much indepth now and I dont want you guys to stay with your OEM leads because they really do suk compared to aftermarket wires. Thats my last and final comment on this thread if it doesnt get anymore personal than this

Peace.

This dude has to be a troll.

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by ice2004

Im going to leave you to this and what I want you to do is sue all these companies who make these aftermarket wires for Honda cars then I might consider you are correct!!!!

Im going to get my engine brand new aftermarket leads and I want your engine to stay stock and replace it all the time with OEM bullshit and I will see you at the Dyno day again and will proove to you who makes more power!!!

Its getting to much indepth now and I dont want you guys to stay with your OEM leads because they really do suk compared to aftermarket wires. Thats my last and final comment on this thread if it doesnt get anymore personal than this

Peace.

do aftermarket lead companys claim ull get a huge gain in power? i dont think so, they claim ull get a more consistant, stronger spark, which doesnt always mean more power.

who makes OEM leads? ull probably find its a company like NGK or Denso who make aftermarket leads too so u think they dont know what theyre doing?

its funny none of the sites of lead manufactures meantion a % gain in power they only mention a stronger spark and less EMI interferance.

Ill put it to u like this, at the next dyno day i run we will do a little test, we will dyno ur car on the factory leads that are on ur car now, then we will put on a new set of factory leads, then u can put on ur BLING BLING aftermarket ones and then we can compare the differacne. the reason i want to dyno the car on the leads that are on it is to see if the differance is because the leads are old or not.

if the aftermarket leads make a huge differance over the OEM ones (im taking 5hp here) then ill buy the new OEM leads off u and also pay for the dyno. if not u can do what u want with the new OEM leads and u can pay for the dyno. sound like a fair deal? if not what is a fair deal?

im sorry to say this but u really have no idea what ur talking about on this subject

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by Horny_Devil

do aftermarket lead companys claim ull get a huge gain in power? i dont think so, they claim ull get a more consistant, stronger spark, which doesnt always mean more power.

who makes OEM leads? ull probably find its a company like NGK or Denso who make aftermarket leads too so u think they dont know what theyre doing?

its funny none of the sites of lead manufactures meantion a % gain in power they only mention a stronger spark and less EMI interferance.

Ill put it to u like this, at the next dyno day i run we will do a little test, we will dyno ur car on the factory leads that are on ur car now, then we will put on a new set of factory leads, then u can put on ur BLING BLING aftermarket ones and then we can compare the differacne. the reason i want to dyno the car on the leads that are on it is to see if the differance is because the leads are old or not.

if the aftermarket leads make a huge differance over the OEM ones (im taking 5hp here) then ill buy the new OEM leads off u and also pay for the dyno. if not u can do what u want with the new OEM leads and u can pay for the dyno. sound like a fair deal? if not what is a fair deal?

im sorry to say this but u really have no idea what ur talking about on this subject

Thats sounds good Jase!

by the time I be at the Dyno place my new aftermarket leads wont be new anymore so we can compare them with my OEM leads to make it fair deal?

btw 5HP is alot say 3HP increase then I can say we have a deal?

Cant wait to get free Dyno test for my car

By time when it is the next Dyno meet I be doing lots of things to the car.

Well I gotta say good luck Jase as I think you need it.

[FORDSKIN]

Originally Posted by ice2004

Dyno test for my car

[Horny_Devil]

Originally Posted by ice2004

by the time I be at the Dyno place my new aftermarket leads wont be new anymore so we can compare them with my OEM leads to make it fair deal?

i really doubt ull have put many km on the leads in the next few months so thats really a mute point, makes it sound like ur starting to worry about the affect that age has on the leads. which just reinforces my previous points about the deteriation of the leads over time.

Originally Posted by ice2004

btw 5HP is alot say 3HP increase then I can say we have a deal?

but earlier u were claiming a 10-15% gain which on an engine like yours is about 20hp, so i think 5hp is reasonable, hey y dont we split the differance and call it 4hp between the new OEM leads and your "aftermarket" ones. thats fair

Originally Posted by ice2004

Cant wait to get free Dyno test for my car

i really doubt ull be getting a free dyno on ur car, but who knows i might be wrong.

Originally Posted by ice2004

Well I gotta say good luck Jase as I think you need it.[/

and its you that needs the luck my friend, i work with electronics for a living i know how the leads work and i can tell you and as the like i posted showed you there is bugger all differance between leads

anyone else is welcome to come down and watch and support

:edit: does anyone feel that im out of line with my comments or that im going to be proved significantly wrong?

[turboteg]

you're not out of line at all jase, i think it should be left at 5hp gain tho, afterall he was the one claiming 20-30hp gain so a 5hp gain should be a walk in the park for his bling bling super leads! lol

at the end of the day tho by his comments and obvious lack of common sense shown on this forum he still won't be able to admit that he's wrong after he gets humiliated in public at the dyno!

just out of interest what has your car made on the dyno ice2004?

[Horny_Devil]

cheers bruce

his car made 126.7 kw

[Coupe-R]

HAHHA

dam it, I made this post so people could read why they shouldn't spend $$ unnecessarily. Leads are not WIRES, and you cannot just measure the resistence to see how they will perform. There is much more to it than this, just like Horney devil was saying.

Now the post is tainted by comments like "yeh aftermarket leads WILL MAKE MORE POWER"

NO THEY WON'T


Go buy a brand new set of MSD leads and a brand new set of honda or NGK blue replacement leads.

dyno back to back (make a few runs on each to rule out heat soak or other differences (motor was sitting while you changed leads over)

I bet they make the same power, right down to 0.5kw!!

[Colza]

Lolz. Stupid people entertain me.

[sk-itr]

Originally Posted by turboteg

you're not out of line at all jase, i think it should be left at 5hp gain tho, afterall he was the one claiming 20-30hp gain so a 5hp gain should be a walk in the park for his bling bling super leads! lol

at the end of the day tho by his comments and obvious lack of common sense shown on this forum he still won't be able to admit that he's wrong after he gets humiliated in public at the dyno!

just out of interest what has your car made on the dyno ice2004?

My car made 127kW max and it was the highest powered N/A ITR. It was untuned aswell. Also it was the least modified ITR aswell I think from the looks of other ITR's on that day.

Gotta laugh at you guys when you see my Dyno this time Im sure those MSD leads will gain me some more power say 4HP increase and yes the deal is on 4HP increase over OEM.

thats it and think what you think still you will not convince me to get the new OEM leads because they really wont make any difference unless I buy aftermarket leads which are the MSD 8.5mm and they are pretty cheap to gain that sort of power.

[b16a2]

Originally Posted by ice2004

My car made 127kW max and it was the highest powered N/A ITR. It was untuned aswell. Also it was the least modified ITR aswell I think from the looks of other ITR's on that day.

Gotta laugh at you guys when you see my Dyno this time Im sure those MSD leads will gain me some more power say 4HP increase and yes the deal is on 4HP increase over OEM.

thats it and think what you think still you will not convince me to get the new OEM leads because they really wont make any difference unless I buy aftermarket leads which are the MSD 8.5mm and they are pretty cheap to gain that sort of power.

please post up the date and time and location of this dyno run when its gna happen, cuz i wana bring my box of beers, drink up and have some good laughs,

[sk-itr]

hahaha its an experiemnet I dont think there would be any laugh or smile about this as we are trying to prove to see what will happen and theres always a winner and loser and will find out at dyno day!!

If you drink and drive thats when I start to laugh!

[Horny_Devil]

the deal is for 4hp to get gained from using your aftermarket