Turbo my F20b

[elijahn]

how much am i looking at? including labour.?? just a need a quick answer so i can stop having this at the back of my mind. My old man has got a 2003 euro sti wrx and would love a little pull. ops:

[turbozxi]

5grand be about average if your not a fabricator.

[VTAKYO]

It was costing me about $5g using second hand parts, and discount through mates. Closer to $10g including labour and tuning if you use all new parts and don't cut corners (excluding building up the block).

[EVLTEK FBI AKL]

yeah 5K is the cheap corner cutting - second hand parts way...10K +/- if you buy all brand new quality parts..

[Hayce]

You'd eat up a lazy 5k in labor pretty easy wouldn't you?

[itekdu]

^ Thats what I was thinking

[b16a2]

you could turbo your car for $2000, but if you do theres no point its gna be crap and not last long,
to turbo a car and actually enjoy it and not have pieces breaking all the time and endless hadaches etc, aim for 10k plus, 15-20 if oyu want all big name brands and want the best

tune +ecu $1500-2000
turbo $1200-2500
WG -$400
BOV $400
Mani $800-1400
DP -$500
exhaust $800
fuel system inc FPR injectors, fuel pump etc $1200
IC + Pipes $800
PCV system $200
oil lines etc and extra plumbing $400

and thats not the half of it, many hidden costs, plus labour

[turbozxi]

Wow people have changed there tune? I was expecting you can do it for 1500 easy bro.

You could do a decent low boost setup for 5k i believe, intercoolers are so cheap these days a decent 2nd hand turbo, walboro pump, evo injectors, chrome or hondata upgraded clutch and a reasonable priced fabricator.

[b16a2]

Originally Posted by turbozxi

Wow people have changed there tune? I was expecting you can do it for 1500 easy bro.

You could do a decent low boost setup for 5k i believe, intercoolers are so cheap these days a decent 2nd hand turbo, walboro pump, evo injectors, chrome or hondata upgraded clutch and a reasonable priced fabricator.

sure u could get it way cheaper with crome etc, price was kinda foe Hondata plus tune or PFC + tune

[tarmac-]

If your not in a hurry, you can aquire parts on trademe pritty cheap. Turboing a car is really simple, and if your not after the bling, you can have a reliable setup for pritty dam cheap.

[Hayce]

^ only because you know how...

People that don't and need to get everything done for them makes it an expensive exercise.

[elijahn]

5k to 10k... hmmm

probably would take me till Christmas to get the $10k saved...

hmm maybe a possibility.

[Sleepy]

get an h22a and build it up while you save

[itekdu]

^ why?

[Sleepy]

Cuz its gunna cost a fuckload

[itekdu]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

Cuz its gunna cost a fuckload

No more than a h22, and the f20's already there.

[dee.eph]

^2nd.

if you're not doing internals wouldn't the h22a and f20b be almost the same? almost the same turbo manifold, and bolt on bits...
and yeah, you wouldn't have to bother with a swap.

[b16a2]

arnt f20 iron sleevs and h22a's are FRM --- iron >>frm

[itekdu]

As I understand it, the h22 and f20 block's are internally pretty much the same? And I thought they are both frm? If you were to do the internals on the f20, I think you still need to sleeve it? never seen one open to be sure.

[Sleepy]

Im just saying thats how I'd approach it, build up the pieces while you can still drive with the f20b in there. although Itekdu is doing it though so he'd prolly know heh.

[mr.sky]

depends how much you know/learn. If you find out what bits you need you could piece together a kit quite cheaply and still have a pretty reliable setup. Lots of people pay way more than they need to.

Assuming its a lowish boost setup on a stock engine

chinese trademe turbo (internal gate) $500
cheap manifold $400 (if it cracks weld it)
intercooler and piping $500
DP $200
oil line kit $200
injectors (evo 5 or rx7) $200
walbro pump $250
tuned with crome or similar: less than $1k
exhaust? $500

Theres probably crap i've forgotten but it wont be expensive.

I reckon if you spend $10k you are a muppet. And if you have to pay someone to do it its probably not worth it. I hate to say it but you may as well sell your car, add $10k and buy your own Sti or EVO.

[Colza]

Originally Posted by mr.sky

I reckon if you spend $10k you are a muppet.

Couldnt agree more.

Yes it helps to have past experience, but at the end of the day if you are willing to learn there are VAST resources on the internet. With a bit of common sense you can put a kit together that will meet your goals and not break the bank.

Some things you will need to get other people to make if you dont have the skills yourself eg. oil lines, intercooler piping etc. but there are always people willing to help out for a few beers or a few $.

Depending on your power goals and how much you need other people to do i think $5k would get you a very good 2nd hand setup.

Buying new parts (as a general rule) is just ridiculous. Esp turbos and wastegates. The new prices are astronimical compared with picking up a good condition 2nd hand one and having it rebuilt/reconditioned if required.

Be sensible, plan it, think it through, learn as much as you can and you will be all set for a mint project 8)

[Hayce]

You guys are too much .

You are comparing some junk, shit house setup as outlined by mr.sky (thats is incedently neighboring on 5k anyway) to a fully built motor...

I'd suggest you try building a "proper" engine and then look over the invoices and you might re think your muppet statement... you muppets

[Colza]

Just cos i cant afford to blow a million dollars on some swanky stainless manifold from the states isnt going to make my car any slower

I'm not comparing a 2nd hand setup to one with brand new forged internals. Of course the second option is better. But is it worth the additional cost.

It depends entirely on what he wants from the motor. 300kW? Sure forged internals is pretty much essential. Any less than that its an option. Less than 250kW theres really not much point at all...

I am building a road car. Its going to be daily driven, and I am going to enjoy driving it on the street (if its ever done ). I dont need any more than 200kW. Ill have enough trouble trying to put that to the ground as it is. Forged internals for my motor would have been a waste of money in my opinion.

I have been trying to keep a running total of whats gone in to my motor. It has cost me more than I originally intended, but I can tell you now its nowhere f**king NEAR $5000. And that includes a full bottom end rebuild and a compression drop.

When i get the damn thing finished I will be posting up a build article hopefully with enough photos to outline what I did, why I did it, and how to build a quick turbo Honda for a sensible price.

[Hayce]

Originally Posted by Colza

Just cos i cant afford to blow a million dollars on some swanky stainless manifold from the states isnt going to make my car any slower

Since thats obviously a dig at me, get fucked (if it's not un fuck yourself ). And it just very well might actually. I love it how people sing about "you get what you pay for"... but only when it suits them. And why do you assume it cost me a lot anyway?

Originally Posted by Colza

I'm not comparing a 2nd hand setup to one with brand new forged internals. Of course the second option is better. But is it worth the additional cost.

It depends entirely on what he wants from the motor. 300kW? Sure forged internals is pretty much essential. Any less than that its an option. Less than 250kW theres really not much point at all...

I say again, if you want it done right and reliable it is worth it. The numbers are one thing, whats more important is how it makes it, what parts are stressed etc. EG you would be pushing it to make that 250 mark on ome injectors unless you lean it right out maybe and then go boom either under load or in over rev doing a burn out or clutch slip etc.

Originally Posted by Colza

I am building a road car. Its going to be daily driven, and I am going to enjoy driving it on the street (if its ever done ). I dont need any more than 200kW. Ill have enough trouble trying to put that to the ground as it is. Forged internals for my motor would have been a waste of money in my opinion.

Thats great, I agree and in fact I've done it. Well I should say I've had it.

Originally Posted by Colza

I have been trying to keep a running total of whats gone in to my motor. It has cost me more than I originally intended, but I can tell you now its nowhere f**king NEAR $5000. And that includes a full bottom end rebuild and a compression drop.

Yea but c'mon your obviously mechanically minded and have the ability to fabricate. The manifold your making right now to buy would more than likely be over a grand for a start.
I could tell you how much $$ I have had to put in my motor but you probably wouldn't believe me it's quite a low figure. My point is if you know the inside tracks then your set, this discussion isn't based on that, nor is it based on how much I/we can get parts for.

What else... Hah the buying brand new parts (Esp turbos and wastegates) being ridiculous. Again this is ok for your low output build. In saying that though I wouldn't be buying second hand rods or pistons for a 250wkw engine.
For a higher output engine your second hand choice are limited, turbo's especially. There's very little turbo's that are available from the parts bin that can handle a 300wkw motor and still meet all the goals that I would expect. Not to mention the warranty etc.
And yes you don;t have to go all expensive and get a genuine Garrett/HKS/KKK etc but you do have to be smart about which knock off turbo you go for. If you are anything like me and have jumped through these hoops it doesn't take much to learn that you reap what you sow.