turbo or na

[vti]

i am think of going down the turbo path in my h22 eg, what would i need for it to get running other than;

turbo
fuel pump
fuel reg.
b.o.v
ecu + tuning
oil lines
manifold
intercooler + piping
injectors?
wastegate?

will i need surge tank etc?

i will be after reliability over power

or do you think i should just stay n/a and do the intake cams ecu tuning and possibly pistons?

[Ped Rac3r]

How much do you have to spend? And what sort of HP figures are you aiming for?

[vti]

nothing at the mo just wanting a ball park figure/ list of items so i can figure out how much i will need. something around 200kw at the wheels would be more than enought maybe 190ish

http://xs-power.com/acura-honda-turbokits-14.htm this looks like it will do the trick

[Demon]

stay away from XSPower turbo kits, there whole kit is shit!

the list u have should about cover everything u need, arent H22a's around 200hp stock anways?

[vti]

at the motor as far as im aware?

[b16a2]

add dump pipe + exhaust mods, plumb back in of wastegate

plus catch can and pcv vent system

[vti]

pcv vent system? its a closed deck block but will i need to sleeve it? and i not going throught 41 those kits are too expensive!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-...3756.m20.l1116

what about these?
i have been informed to stare clear of t3/t4 turbos

[Demon]

t3/t4 will be too big, i wouldnt worry about sleeving it personally

[vti]

i would preferr not to sleeve a guy i know said that i might need something bigge than a t3/t4, what do you guys think i should run?

[Demon]

bigger!!!???


she will never spool, these bastards are big!
im (going to be) running a BB T28

[OhSoSlow]

t3/t4 would be sweet if you're not planning on big power down the line.. personally I wouldn't be going any smaller!

[BB4lude]

that'd spool easy as demon... theres a million dif specs of t3/t4 for it to be specific anyway and many of them would be to small the first t3/t4 i ran was to small running a 60-1 rated at 600hp now and its perfect i wouldent get a kit id put it all together seporately i know autopassion can get a british kit that sounds good not sure of the brand tho

and i wouldent botther rebuilding it either mines fine on stock internals 13psi just tune it well

[vti]

oh sweet the big thing worying me was the rebuild of motor + sleeves
i i gues i will only run about 10psi for daily. bb4 lube how much did you setup cost? what parts are you using? and where you got your parts from cheers bro.

[FREEZN]

im not 100% sure but im sure if you replace with aftermarket pistons you have to sleeve the block. perhaps Ian can confirm this? sorry if i m wrong


*EDIT*

quick search i found this

id say 7-9psi on a stocker, they hold up well to boost, but not detonation REMEMBER THIS KIDS

reason why so little boost, is because H22as, have FRM (fibre re-enforced metal) liners(sleeves) basicaly they are injected with some sort of silicon content, which makes the engine more stronger becoz of the bigger BORES than a b series, so honda just had to make sure when they were designing the H series engine, that the motor wuld hold up to 200hp, now with FRM sleeves, they had to run with different type of pistons so both PISTONS AND SLEEVES heated and expanded together in harmony, and so the pistons and piston wall(sleeves, liners) had a happy relationship (clearance between them)and didnt have domestics

FRM pistons filled with the magical silicon shit from factory , it makes the ring landings weaker than any other B series pistons alive so
more boost=more power= too much power for h series pistons to handle, i muself didnt stick around to find out how much power i culd have made on stock ring landings,as i didnt tune any of my stock engines, and detonation killed them..BUT i did run a basemap for 5 months straight on 9psi and the motor did last, until my waStegate took a shit, and 17psi for 5 seconds destroyed it quite quickly

so the reason why u have to SLEEVE an h22a,is well to make it fucking stonger! and is because MOST aftermarket pistons are straight FORGED ALLOY, where as they have different expanding and contraction values than stock pistons, if u ran them they wuld expand too fast and come in contact with the stock sleeve (see domestics above^)

to get around this, MOST people replace the stock sleeves with IRON replacements, i myself chose DARTON sleeves, as they will my best bet to actualy getting laid...(ketzal ur my hero)

Mr turbo h22a himself

[Cannabis]

i think there are pistons made for H22a FPR bore with out sleeving.
I think Jun and a german brand start with m made them.

[BB4lude]

yup mahle makes them . umm 60-1 garret turbo trr stainless manifold tial 38mm wastgate custom dump pipes 3inch mandrel exhaust custom intake with mushroom filter . front mount intercooler alloy pipeing oil cooler . walbro 255lph fuel pump 700cc sard injectors adjustable fuel reg . microtech lt10s computer with digital dash . msd external coil leads etc ignition is currently failing on 13psi tho switching to direct fire coils soon ( microtechs need to be run with wasted spark or direct fire )

[americ_ian]

demon.... WTF

aftermarket FI pistons do not work with h22as EVER

they all came, and they all failed

mahle failed t000... i think one set made some miles... but that was it... failboat right there...

Jun made higher compression pistons that work with stock sleeves

I sleeved and forged a motor for about 2500.... years ago...

1100 pistons and rods + $1100 machinging/balancing costs +$300 sleeves = good times bro

Im not going to read/comment on the rest of the thread.. as it looks like a whole load of FAIL

lol at demon still....

[nva2nd]

Remember's what Ian said this arvo... :thumbsup:

[FREEZN]

thanking you ^^^^

[vti]

oh so turboing a h22a is a no go?

bb4 who tuned your setup?

[FREEZN]

1100 pistons and rods + $1100 machinging/balancing costs +$300 sleeves = good times bro

:!:

[Reaper_2000]

Originally Posted by vti

oh so turboing a h22a is a no go?

bb4 who tuned your setup?

amer_ian had a nice twin turbo setup in an ej1 coupe 8O it went wild

[d16a7]

Originally Posted by Reaper_2000

amer_ian had a nice twin turbo setup in an ej1 coupe 8O it went wild

yes and he also had a 4 door project that was in the build but decided to swap it into a coupe to prove that the twin turbo h22a existed...

does anyone else here remember who im taking the piss out of or am i just showing my forum age....

[vti]

back to my thread.... :!:

would i be safe with running 8-10psi on my h22 with stock internals as a daily driver?

also it is a close deck block

[nva2nd]

Problem with boost is you always want more....