Turbo cams? intercooler size?

[Codeman]

Hey guys,

CAMS -
For my turbo setup i was going to use CTR cams, have since read up abit and im not so sure if its the best way to go,

I also have b18c cams out of a 97 so could use those? Or another option would be getting kelford or franklin regrind turbo cams or something..

Would i have more tourqe with the b18c cams? Or are the CTR's a good way to go?

INTERCOOLER -
What would be a good size for a low boost b18c setup? Does going to big make to much lag with more up top than i would have with a smaller size?


Cheers

[DSCRET]

CTR cams will be awsome!!! 300x70x600 is what I had on my old and my new car. Beleave or not big intercooler does not mean more lag (with out going silly)

[Horny_Devil]

keep the CTR cams and run cam gears

[nva2nd]

What size turbo?

[Codeman]

Originally Posted by nva2nd

What size turbo?

Either garret gt28r or just find a s15 t28, ballbearing, Pretty much same turbo just diff brand as far as i know

Have heard good things, they seem to boost fast and hold from what iv heard.

[Codeman]

Originally Posted by DSCRET

CTR cams will be awsome!!! 300x70x600 is what I had on my old and my new car. Beleave or not big intercooler does not mean more lag (with out going silly)

Ok, i thought it would make it less responsive..

You made just over 200kw on a stock block didnt you? What psi?
Thats around what im aiming for, maybe abit less.

[nva2nd]

If you can get your hands on one I'd go for a 550x280x70

[d16a7]

^^^ thats roughly what size mine is... nice size.. not too big.. and not too hard to fit behind the bumper...

[Codeman]

Originally Posted by nva2nd

If you can get your hands on one I'd go for a 550x280x70

That doesnt sound much smaller than what descret said? why do you recomend that size?

[nva2nd]

Originally Posted by Codeman

That doesnt sound much smaller than what descret said? why do you recomend that size?

the 280 gives you alittle more ground clearence. Alot of the 300 sized intercooler's poke out the bottom on alot of factory and some aftermarket kits.

Purely cosmetic, but wouldnt hurt to have a slightly smaller intercooler core as well.

[BTLF3D]

all you need to know about CTR/ITR cams is on honda tech, search on here www.honda-tech.com 8) some people have seen up to 50hp gains from cams alone!

[DSCRET]

My old car 210kw on 10psi on a low reading dyno.
On a dc2 the I/C that I suggested is a perfect fit

[Antz]

If your goal is around the 200kw then either should get you there.
Depending on what your manifold is (log/ramhorn etc) this may have an factor in your decision as well.
With the CTR cams are you running upgraded springs/retainers?
Not sure if you need to? or if you just keep the red line under 8,000
but that could be a factor as well - someone with more knowledge should be able to answer that.

But if it was me I would try and keep things as simple as possible.
You don't need aftermarket cams or CTR cams to get 200kw on a stock B18c. I got 172kw on a stock NZDM B18c which has worse cams than the jap spec B18c and that was at 8psi.

Yes the CTR cams can give some set ups increased gains but so can adjustable cam gears or more boost!
If the engine is all apart then why not stick the type R's in (and I would stick springs/retainers etc to), if not I would leave it alone and save ya money for the tune.

Just my 5 cents - either way should be achievable goal, good luck

[nemesisteg]

Originally Posted by Antz

If your goal is around the 200kw then either should get you there.
Depending on what your manifold is (log/ramhorn etc) this may have an factor in your decision as well.
With the CTR cams are you running upgraded springs/retainers?
Not sure if you need to? or if you just keep the red line under 8,000
but that could be a factor as well - someone with more knowledge should be able to answer that.

But if it was me I would try and keep things as simple as possible.
You don't need aftermarket cams or CTR cams to get 200kw on a stock B18c. I got 172kw on a stock NZDM B18c which has worse cams than the jap spec B18c and that was at 8psi.

Yes the CTR cams can give some set ups increased gains but so can adjustable cam gears or more boost!
If the engine is all apart then why not stick the type R's in (and I would stick springs/retainers etc to), if not I would leave it alone and save ya money for the tune.

Just my 5 cents - either way should be achievable goal, good luck

CTR cams are known t be slightly more agresive than the ITR cams, valve springs and retainers are a must if you wish to rev up and over 8000rpm, think the blox kit is pretty cheap?? chances are there are some for sale on here if you search around. and changing cams doesnt really mean the engines all apart, you dont even need to take the head off

[Hayce]

Antz has got some good info there, me personally if Im touching cam/valve train it's new springs at least.

[nemesisteg]

like that funny ass ad on t.v.. we had to drop the sump off and drop out the rods and pistons so we could get to the spark plugs.. they were dirty.. god dam that made me LOL

sorry.. back to topic..

[Codeman]

Originally Posted by nemesisteg

CTR cams are known t be slightly more agresive than the ITR cams, valve springs and retainers are a must if you wish to rev up and over 8000rpm, think the blox kit is pretty cheap?? chances are there are some for sale on here if you search around. and changing cams doesnt really mean the engines all apart, you dont even need to take the head off

Already have the whole CTR head off a 99CTR, So yes, valves, retainers etc.

CTR head is already on, tourqed down n ready to go, So not realy chasing cams, just already have them n wanted to know if they are useful,

Because i was originally wanting a quick N/A, But Never put High comp pistons in (luckily)
So just decided turbo would be more fun.

What is normal to rev to? Follow the same lines as n/a? Personally i was thinking 8500..

[Hayce]

IF your not making power don't rev it. Limited mine to 8 for reliability's sake.

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by Antz

If your goal is around the 200kw then either should get you there.
Depending on what your manifold is (log/ramhorn etc) this may have an factor in your decision as well.
With the CTR cams are you running upgraded springs/retainers?
Not sure if you need to? or if you just keep the red line under 8,000
but that could be a factor as well - someone with more knowledge should be able to answer that.

But if it was me I would try and keep things as simple as possible.
You don't need aftermarket cams or CTR cams to get 200kw on a stock B18c. I got 172kw on a stock NZDM B18c which has worse cams than the jap spec B18c and that was at 8psi.

Yes the CTR cams can give some set ups increased gains but so can adjustable cam gears or more boost!If the engine is all apart then why not stick the type R's in (and I would stick springs/retainers etc to), if not I would leave it alone and save ya money for the tune.

Just my 5 cents - either way should be achievable goal, good luck

depending on your setup, you can make more power on less boost :wink:

[Codeman]

EXPLAIN? You mean with the right parts, manifold, CTR cams, Flowing exaust, the right turbo ECT

That it wouldnt take as much psi to get 200kw?

[BTLF3D]

Originally Posted by Codeman

EXPLAIN? You mean with the right parts, manifold, CTR cams, Flowing exaust, the right turbo ECT

That it wouldnt take as much psi to get 200kw?

im talking on higher HP setups you can get more power on less boost... seach for a post about them by Tony1 on honda-tech

[nemesisteg]

thats a different story that you have the complete CTR head bolted on there, that will flow 10x better then the b18c head!! your obviouslt going to need a manifold to match it tho, skunk2 pro series would be a minter, or go all out with a JG edelbrock

[BTLF3D]

edelbrock is more for higher power (400ish plus), a skunk2 pro series would be better for 200wkw (theres comparasons on HT :wink: )

[Codeman]

Originally Posted by BTLF3D

edelbrock is more for higher power (400ish plus), a skunk2 pro series would be better for 200wkw (theres comparasons on HT :wink: )

ATM it only has a b16a1 intake mani, Have seen dyno's, and the results are pretty good, skunk2 has better up top, like edlebrock,

but the b16a seem to beat everything down low.

And yeah the head will go mint! Im thinking with a bigger turbo it would pull quite hard up top, mixed with the cams.

Im thinking of getting somewhere to make a steam pipe mani, In the shape of a ramhorn, or anything realy, Might give speed factor a call??

What about a bigger t/b?

[BTLF3D]

you dont need a aftermarket IM or TB, just keep it all standard, works fine.