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26th November 2007, 10:07 PM
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| Senior Member 3,000rpm (Grandma Drag)  Join Date: Apr 2005
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Location: Auckland | SC my prelude! (What size intercooler? 56K maybe not) Hi people, After couple of month of thinking i finally made up my mind to rebuild my engine for my BB4 prelude. Instead of keeping it NA i want to SC my h22a. I think i will be better off hearing some of the advices from you guys before i start ordering and post ad on ebay to sell my kindney  ops: I have found the following parts on ebay. CP 9:1 piston Pauter X beam con rod Darton MID sleeve ACL main bearin ACL bigend bearing ARP head studs These parts are necessary for a rebuild according to my mate (he just got a 3sgte rebuilded) Did i miss out anything here? I have got myself a fairly low mileage close deck h22a from Naturally Aspirated on the forum. I would like to run a SC14 supercharger and according to my research it can boost up to 12psi but at the moment but since i am real newbie to turbo FF cars maybe 6~8 psi at the beginning will be a better idea. Those part listed previously seems to be quite good and will be able to build a rock solid engine that will take all sorts of piss. I was wondering if these parts are too good for my application (like maximum 12psi)? I know on top of those part i will need an intercooler (i hope a VR4 one will be sufficient) , piping, FPR and fuel pump. With limited budget up to 8k (maybe 10k if i don't spend too much during christmas time)is there any parts i have missed out? Also i need to pay someone to sleeve my engine, replace all the seals/gaskets, as well as tuning. BTW do i need a aftermarket computer for running 8 psi (i will probably need it for 12psi right) as well as the injectors? Can someone please point me if i am on the right direction or not? Cheers Update: The pictures of the supercharger's here. Only 2 of them tho!! ops:   Happy new everyone, hope everyone had a good holiday. Over the holiday period nothing much has happened. I did changed my rear brake pad and rotor cos they were too worn and can not pass warrant but thanks to Naturally Aspirated hook me up with some pad and rotors :twisted: Also thanks to 8000rpm on the forum i am able to pick up some decent gears. I bought the following parts off him: TEIN HA shocks MSD dizzy cap, wire and blaster coil Spoon front strut bar tanabe sustec rear strut bar I have picked up the strut bars today and the photos are here  spoon mark on the front bar  tanabe mark on the rear  I will pick up the rest of the part at the weekend. will post up more photos after i have got them. 
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26th November 2007, 10:44 PM
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| Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power)  Join Date: Sep 2006
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Location: Twizel  | my civic is running an sc14 charger but only on 5psi, it has the fuel pump, pfr, and vr4 intercooler and works fine!you may need to upgrade injector size if you go over 5psi though... you WILL need atleast a chipped ecu to run the setup, a piggyback or whole new ECU plus tune would see more power probally, but cost more! im running a greddy e-ultimate -works fine, bitch to tune apparently. surely you could boost more than 12 with forged internals etc? mine flies with 5psi, with 12psi itd be insane, your gunna love it! could always just buy my car for 5500 and use your spare cash to cover it in charbon again 
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27th November 2007, 08:48 AM
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Location: Auckland | Lol if i bought you civic i will end up with 2 cars! How about stripping out the box,e-ultimate and the sc14? :twisted: But anyway i am still try to get a quote for all the part i need. Injector wise....which one will be a good option?
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27th November 2007, 08:59 AM
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Location: Hamilton | personally, with a forged h22a id chuck a gt42r on it and go for real power
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27th November 2007, 09:03 AM
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Location: Auckland | ^^^^x2 if not garret go with the SW Borg S372... with a peakboost topmount 4 " downpipe of the turbo straight out the other end.... ...sigh.... pipe dreams
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27th November 2007, 09:25 AM
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Location: Auckland | To be honest my dream setup will be SC and TC the bloody thing. But will be think about that later. Ian you are the h22a force induction guru...please give me some advice or see if u think i miss out something?
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27th November 2007, 08:34 PM
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Location: Auckland | Quote:
Why was that? i google it and seems X beam is stronger? ARP main studs will be added to list. Would you recommend any particular brand of gasket set?
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27th November 2007, 08:38 PM
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Location: Christchurch | mostly price and avaliability, and the h beam vs I beam vs x beam is an on going fight mostly matter of opinion. eagly h beam is a highly proven succesfull rod in new zealand. you should stick with the tried a trued, genuine gasket kit, i wouldnt use anything else. unless you wana "o" ring your blcok. |
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27th November 2007, 09:06 PM
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BTW anyone has any contact in auckland that does sleeving and engine rebuild?
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27th November 2007, 09:09 PM
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Location: Christchurch | no offence man but dont talk to your mate, people often think they know what they are talking about but accually dont, ive repaired alot of cars and engines because "my mate told me it would work" after something has broken. talk to your engine builder and take his advice. im a mechanic obviously. |
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27th November 2007, 09:16 PM
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Location: Auckland | Thanks for the advice and i do understand the "my mate says" thingie. My mate has fairly good knowledge and he's the one gonna help me drop the engine after it's done. He's got a st165 project going and just has a 3SGTE rebuilt...not some teenage boy racer. Of course i will talk to my engine builder as well.
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28th November 2007, 09:05 PM
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29th November 2007, 08:03 PM
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29th November 2007, 09:38 PM
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Location: Auckland | Just a quick update, still gathering quotes for the best price. I might make a decision over the weekend. After that there are other parts needed like ECU, injector, intercooler, FPR, fuel pump...etc. I hope you guys can give me some advice on these parts.
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4th December 2007, 08:09 PM
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Location: Auckland | Picked up the supercharger yesterday, seems in good condition. Will upload some photos after my camera's charged. Apparently if i want to keep AC and PS then i will need a half radiator and ac condenser. Does anyone know other people run FI prelude with half radiator? I was wondering what are the chances over heating the engine?
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4th December 2007, 08:14 PM
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4th December 2007, 10:00 PM
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Location: Auckland | Just found this on trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-129868057.htm looks quite decent. What do u guys think? I think it should work fine if it's really aluminum made!!
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4th December 2007, 10:01 PM
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Location: Twizel | dont run PS, you'll need to feel the road abit more with the torque the sc produces...from my experience. Im surprised you think the AC and PS is worth the hassle?
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4th December 2007, 10:47 PM
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Location: Christchurch | Ditch AC. I haven't had it for over a year and haven't noticed the difference. Heater still works, just doesn't go super ice-cold anymore... which is why you have a window and cans of drink .PS: look into relocating the pump with a custom bracket maybe. Take a look at Chuckles2 F20B ITR build in Hybrid, and work around that maybe. Or as Pommy said, just ditch it and run closed loop or a manual rack.
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