Tdo4 turbo's

beowolf455 · 21st October 2007, 09:49 AM

Is there any differance between the GSR tdo4 turbo and tdo4's from RVR's and Pajero's?

Thanks

nemesisteg · 21st October 2007, 09:54 AM

rvr and gsr run the same everything as far as im aware, engine gearbox turbo etc

sports gear r runs same as evo. dunno about pajero, arent they deisel? wouldnt have a clue about there turbos

beowolf455 · 22nd October 2007, 05:57 AM

Thanks for replying dude

beowolf455 · 22nd October 2007, 06:19 AM

Also, kinda unrelated but; can you chip a non-vtec obd1 ecu? If so, which one?

nemesisteg · 22nd October 2007, 09:20 AM

depends what you want to chip it to do but if its a different engine etc then replace ecu, they cheap enough

beowolf455 · 22nd October 2007, 09:40 AM

I mean for using chrome to tune a turbo setup

nemesisteg · 22nd October 2007, 10:11 AM

*crome* im not too sure aout crome to be honest, never put much research into it, there are a number of crome nuts on here tho that would know. do a search on crome, you will get a fair idea of who knows about it

tarmac- · 23rd October 2007, 10:00 AM

not sure to be honest - however, i know that ive used PO8 ecu's a few times, as theyre cheap and easy to find, unlike the P30's which are big $$.

d16a7 · 23rd October 2007, 12:29 PM

uhm GSR td04's are different to RVR's

the RVR ones the intake sides are smaller YET they make more power...

i cant remember exactly what was the difference, as we compared the two in the past...

either way they are pretty small turbo but should be fine on a 1600 honda..

my mates RVR spools that td04l up at around 1500 and starts running out of puff at around 6000 (but still keeps pulling to redline)

beowolf455 · 24th October 2007, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d16a7

uhm GSR td04's are different to RVR's

the RVR ones the intake sides are smaller YET they make more power...

i cant remember exactly what was the difference, as we compared the two in the past...

either way they are pretty small turbo but should be fine on a 1600 honda..

my mates RVR spools that td04l up at around 1500 and starts running out of puff at around 6000 (but still keeps pulling to redline)

Mint, that sounds like what i'm after

beowolf455 · 24th October 2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarmac-

not sure to be honest - however, i know that ive used PO8 ecu's a few times, as theyre cheap and easy to find, unlike the P30's which are big $$.

Whats the PO8 from?

Horny_Devil · 24th October 2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beowolf455

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarmac-

not sure to be honest - however, i know that ive used PO8 ecu's a few times, as theyre cheap and easy to find, unlike the P30's which are big $$.

Whats the PO8 from?

D15B sohc vtec

beowolf455 · 27th October 2007, 09:02 AM

Anyone able to chip a PO8 to run a dohc ZC?

Horny_Devil · 28th October 2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beowolf455

Anyone able to chip a PO8 to run a dohc ZC?

its easier to get a Non Vtec ECU to start with, then chip that

SLOTEG · 28th October 2007, 01:47 PM

ive got mates who have built up their 1300cc starlets using td04's, they are an ideal match for a smaller capacity engine

www.starletcentral.co.nz is their website, have a trawl thru the build threads, plenty of ideas there on building hypo smaller engines using td04's

Dezigns · 29th October 2007, 08:18 AM

There are so many different trims of TD04 its not funny.. and all have very different characteristics - Below with their rated cfm @ 2.0 PR

TD04-9B - 275cfm
TD04-13G - 360cfm
TD04-13T - 428cfm
TD04HL-16T - 435cfm
TD04HL-17T - 450cfm
TD04HL-18T - 488cfm
TD04HL-19T - 500cfm

doo0T!doo0T! · 29th October 2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beowolf455

Anyone able to chip a PO8 to run a dohc ZC?

Just get a P29, it's an OBD1 dohc ZC ecu to start with and they are pretty cheap as no one seems to want them.

Bl4ckt0p · 29th October 2007, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doo0T!doo0T!

Quote:

Originally Posted by beowolf455

Anyone able to chip a PO8 to run a dohc ZC?

Just get a P29, it's an OBD1 dohc ZC ecu to start with and they are pretty cheap as no one seems to want them.

Thats what he has, we discovered that it was a dohc zc when we picked it up. The guy selling it had no idea. Saves an engine conversion too :wink:

beowolf455 · 3rd November 2007, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezigns

There are so many different trims of TD04 its not funny.. and all have very different characteristics - Below with their rated cfm @ 2.0 PR

TD04-9B - 275cfm
TD04-13G - 360cfm
TD04-13T - 428cfm
TD04HL-16T - 435cfm
TD04HL-17T - 450cfm
TD04HL-18T - 488cfm
TD04HL-19T - 500cfm

GSR is 13G yes? I did some research and it seems the RVR one runs out of puff over 6000rpm

What is the 19T from? Or do you have to get a 13G upsized to it?

beowolf455 · 3rd November 2007, 06:56 AM

Just found some more info from Turbo D16

"TDO4/TD05/TD06 - TURBINE WHEEL SIZE - H,L,HL designation also affect the size but I'm not certain how. I know for a fact that a Td04l is a larger turbine than a td04, and that the td05h is bigger than the td05/

15G, and 19T are the compressor wheel sizes.

Here's what I have seen with regards to blade spacing and compressor sizing.
- smaller numbers are smaller wheels.
- I guess that the letter designation is related to the inducer/exducer ratio (Trim)

9b,11b,12a,13c,14b, 15c,17c,and 19c all have the same size blades. Basically A,B,C and D blades are even.

G, K, T wheels have staggered spacing - I would assume that K and T wheels are newer designs, as I haven't seen them on older models.

G, and K wheels flow more in the top end than A,B,C,and D wheels.
EG: 14B flows less than 14g, 15c less than 15g.
I think the K wheel is new because a TD08 26K flows more and more effieciently than the td08h 33D (AKA T88H)

Final assumptions based on the above:
- Smaller turbines will have less lag and less top end. Top end can be improved at the expense of lag by getting a bigger housing (EG 7cm vs 6cm)
- Small compressers = Less lag, and less top end.
- Staggered blades = More lag, better top end. "

Coupe-R · 23rd December 2007, 11:27 AM

SO what ECU do you have now? As long as its injected and OBD1 yes you can use crome with say a P29.

If you wanted vtec later on you can modify the ECU to make it vtec too

just download the stock P29 Maps and start tuning. Of course vtec and other sensors you don't have will be disabled.

beowolf455 · 24th December 2007, 12:45 PM

I just checked, its a P29

I dont suppose anyone can do a basemap chip?

21st October 2007, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	Tdo4 turbo's Is there any differance between the GSR tdo4 turbo and tdo4's from RVR's and Pajero's? Thanks __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

22nd October 2007, 05:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	Thanks for replying dude __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

22nd October 2007, 06:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	Also, kinda unrelated but; can you chip a non-vtec obd1 ecu? If so, which one? __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

22nd October 2007, 09:40 AM	#6 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	I mean for using chrome to tune a turbo setup __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

23rd October 2007, 10:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
tarmac- Senior Member 5,000rpm (VTEC Power!) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,451 Location: Auckland	not sure to be honest - however, i know that ive used PO8 ecu's a few times, as theyre cheap and easy to find, unlike the P30's which are big $$. __________________ ∟ dnb drops

21st October 2007, 09:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
nemesisteg Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,944 Location: Cambridge	rvr and gsr run the same everything as far as im aware, engine gearbox turbo etc sports gear r runs same as evo. dunno about pajero, arent they deisel? wouldnt have a clue about there turbos

22nd October 2007, 09:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
nemesisteg Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,944 Location: Cambridge	depends what you want to chip it to do but if its a different engine etc then replace ecu, they cheap enough

22nd October 2007, 10:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
nemesisteg Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,944 Location: Cambridge	crome im not too sure aout crome to be honest, never put much research into it, there are a number of crome nuts on here tho that would know. do a search on crome, you will get a fair idea of who knows about it

23rd October 2007, 12:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
d16a7 Senior Member 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,636 Location: Auckland	uhm GSR td04's are different to RVR's the RVR ones the intake sides are smaller YET they make more power... i cant remember exactly what was the difference, as we compared the two in the past... either way they are pretty small turbo but should be fine on a 1600 honda.. my mates RVR spools that td04l up at around 1500 and starts running out of puff at around 6000 (but still keeps pulling to redline) __________________ PROJECT EJ - D Ninja

27th October 2007, 09:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	Anyone able to chip a PO8 to run a dohc ZC? __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

29th October 2007, 08:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
Dezigns Team NZH: Retired 7,000rpm (Peak Power) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,543 Location: Auckland	There are so many different trims of TD04 its not funny.. and all have very different characteristics - Below with their rated cfm @ 2.0 PR TD04-9B - 275cfm TD04-13G - 360cfm TD04-13T - 428cfm TD04HL-16T - 435cfm TD04HL-17T - 450cfm TD04HL-18T - 488cfm TD04HL-19T - 500cfm __________________ --- Mazda FD3S RX-7 Type-RZ :: Greddy T88-34D :: 401.5kw Nissan RPS13 180SX Type-X I failed my last agriculture exam. Up til 2day i thought a rotary hoe was a chick who fucked in an RX7

3rd November 2007, 06:56 AM	#20 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	Just found some more info from Turbo D16 "TDO4/TD05/TD06 - TURBINE WHEEL SIZE - H,L,HL designation also affect the size but I'm not certain how. I know for a fact that a Td04l is a larger turbine than a td04, and that the td05h is bigger than the td05/ 15G, and 19T are the compressor wheel sizes. Here's what I have seen with regards to blade spacing and compressor sizing. - smaller numbers are smaller wheels. - I guess that the letter designation is related to the inducer/exducer ratio (Trim) 9b,11b,12a,13c,14b, 15c,17c,and 19c all have the same size blades. Basically A,B,C and D blades are even. G, K, T wheels have staggered spacing - I would assume that K and T wheels are newer designs, as I haven't seen them on older models. G, and K wheels flow more in the top end than A,B,C,and D wheels. EG: 14B flows less than 14g, 15c less than 15g. I think the K wheel is new because a TD08 26K flows more and more effieciently than the td08h 33D (AKA T88H) Final assumptions based on the above: - Smaller turbines will have less lag and less top end. Top end can be improved at the expense of lag by getting a bigger housing (EG 7cm vs 6cm) - Small compressers = Less lag, and less top end. - Staggered blades = More lag, better top end. " __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

23rd December 2007, 11:27 AM	#21 (permalink)
Coupe-R Senior Member 9,000rpm (S2000 Redline!) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,965 Location: Tauranga	SO what ECU do you have now? As long as its injected and OBD1 yes you can use crome with say a P29. If you wanted vtec later on you can modify the ECU to make it vtec too just download the stock P29 Maps and start tuning. Of course vtec and other sensors you don't have will be disabled.

24th December 2007, 12:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
beowolf455 Senior Member 4,000rpm (Taxi Drag) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 670 Location: Palmerston North	I just checked, its a P29 I dont suppose anyone can do a basemap chip? __________________ EF7 B16 Track car EH1 ZC Streetcar

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