John's Dual Carbed NA Project - Rim Sponsorship Confirmed

[Trivium]

Originally Posted by turbozxi

Trying to be different and cheap never work.

Originally Posted by JohN256

haha, and you know this how? see the thing is, on the net i have not found a single dual carbed honda! not even one

Thats because noones stupid enough to do it on the cheep as your proposing

I can appreciate your enthusasism in wanting to be different, but unless your prepared to throw some serious money at the carbs, tuning etc (not mentioning the money you'd need just for parts) then this idea is probly going to stay as one

[the_chad]

If your on a budget, and want value for money why the hell would you want to use a carbed motor? An injected motor will be way easier to work with.

the "being different" argument is ridiculous when you can get more power for less money and less hassle, especially in your situation.

[the_chad]

double post . nger!

[DrRubber]

john just listen to these words of wisdom........carbys suck.......but i guess if you HAD to do it do what doot doot suggested with su's or similar.......
or maybe one of the blowthrough (or is it suck ??) anyway off a 12a turbo mazda motor.......they work well (but are always ditched for a real system)

awww fuck it....stick a rota in it au

[JohN256]

cheers for those ideas mike!

Yea that flywheel was a cm bigger and the clutch kit i purchased didnt fit onto it, i got my original flywheel from the mechanic yerstday and took it to the machinish and balancist and i picked up the flywheel today all lightend and balanced! the guy took off 2.5kg's of metal and now i have a awsome flywheel, i cant wait to put it on the car, should get my car back monday evening sometime!!

i have decided that in 4 months time when i get $1000 i will get made a custom manifold i believe (or use that idea that mike gave me) and get a set of some nice eadlebrock, holley or delardo QUAD carbs, the car will sound insane from what ive seen on the internet and should give me quite a bit more power also tuning those carbs is much easier from what i can see!

[JohN256]

see, the thing is guys that i love my car, i know you give me shit and tell me to get an injected one etc etc... but im somehow attatched to this car of mine, i dont have enought money to sell this car and get another, and i dont really care, first i will give the car an awsome quad carb setup, spend around $1000 on it and tune it to the MAXX, then ill start reaserching more and consider doing it turbo or just go for a crazy NA carbed setup.

[chris_P]

Originally Posted by JohN256

see, the thing is guys that i love my car, i know you give me shit and tell me to get an injected one etc etc... but im somehow attatched to this car of mine, i dont have enought money to sell this car and get another, and i dont really care, first i will give the car an awsome quad carb setup, spend around $1000 on it and tune it to the MAXX, then ill start reaserching more and consider doing it turbo or just go for a crazy NA carbed setup.

trust me bro, i had the civic, got it all prepped for a custom paint job, had the whole leather interior thing going on, brand spanking new wheels, springs, nolathane items, exhaust, all the bits n peices i thought it was the shit...................til i got an injected car!! you wont look back, got my starlet heaps more fun to drive. Not a bitch to start and even take off like the civic was after i fuct round with the carbs

and you could probly get 1k for your car, save that other money then ull have at least 2k, which would probly get u a little EF civic Si.

DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phonix]

Originally Posted by chris_P

trust me bro, i had the civic, got it all prepped for a custom paint job, had the whole leather interior thing going on, brand spanking new wheels, springs, nolathane items, exhaust, all the bits n peices i thought it was the shit...................til i got an injected car!! you wont look back, got my starlet heaps more fun to drive. Not a bitch to start and even take off like the civic was after i fuct round with the carbs

and you could probly get 1k for your car, save that other money then ull have at least 2k, which would probly get u a little EF civic Si.

DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he is well past telling. It been suggested on more than one occasion and in more than one thread.

Let's just let him do his thing, who know's maybe it will work?

Good luck JohN256 god knows you will need it.

[Trivium]

Originally Posted by JohN256

see, the thing is guys that i love my car, i know you give me shit and tell me to get an injected one etc etc... but im somehow attatched to this car of mine, i dont have enought money to sell this car and get another, and i dont really care, first i will give the car an awsome quad carb setup, spend around $1000 on it and tune it to the MAXX, then ill start reaserching more and consider doing it turbo or just go for a crazy NA carbed setup.

Were not giving you shit, were giving you advice before you head out and waste your money (if its taking you four months to get 1k then it seems you don't have shitloads of money to play with) and come back here bitching about how we didnt tell you it was going to cost the earth, drive like a pig and give you fuck all power gains

Do what was said above, tidy up the car and sell it on and use the money to get something injected - either an EF or you might be lucky and find an EG. You say you love your car, well fair enough, but maybe your so blind with love that you can't see that the idea you've got is pretty silly in your current financial suituation :wink:

[b16a2]

i picked up an injected sohc vtec eg for like 800 or so, wasnt the best consition, buts its still going strong - awsome daily driver and will woop the pants of your carbied ef( albeit slow itself)

if you look around im sure you can find a cheap injected car, plus you seem to have abit of mechanical knowledge( well i hope so as youre post makes it sound like your gna do the work on your car) so find a cheap injected car with a blown motor for a few hundy, and then spend a day swapping in a good motor and there you have it

or even if youre in love with your car and so pussy whipped you wont sell it, buy a wrecked car thats injected and spend a weekend swapping eveything over - still ten times better value for money performance vise

you can do up a carbied honda all you want, even get 100wkw if your an advanced honda tunning machine - but at the end of the day your still a retard for doing it ( please dont be offended drunken post FTW)

[JohN256]

hmmm, guys guys maybe your not reading this whole thread properly, my car is currently at the mechanic getting the engine replaces as the old one had rings that were on the way out! im getting a very good condition replacment engine, all new belts, new plugs, new cambelt, new brake fluid, new power steering fluid, new gearbox oil, new engine oil, flushed radiator+repainted, lightend flywheel and an excedy clutch kit put on the car, so this is costing a bit so NO i am NOT selling this car sorry guys, i know that this car now will be relaible as hell with a full overhaul! if i buy an ef for 2k or whatever i wont know whats been changed on it etc and would probably have to give it a very good overhaul anyway which whould cost another $1000 or so, my next setp on my car is a quad card setup, and no it dosent take me 4 months to get $1000 its just when i get get student loan "course related fees" lol!

[Bananaman]

I think you are the one not reading right.

With your "Full overhaul" just means you may get some reasonable money for the car.

People have asked before "If I put a B18CR in my civic whats it going to be worth" and the formula looks something like this.

Car = $2000
Car + B18CR = $5500 but you had to spend $3500 putting the engine in.

In your case,

Car = $1500
Car + Quad Carbs = $2000 but you had to spend $1000 putting them on.

The advice here is simply sell your car and buy something better to start with then when you spend your money on it at least you have a smaller chance of getting some of it back.

BTW, did you read the PDF that was pointed out to you on d-series.org?

[JohN256]

yea i have started reading that pdf, and yes i have read that part that you pointed out, in the same book there are also parts that talk about a successfully carb boosting methods(s) also that you didnt include in the post lol, selling this car is a pure waste of money for me, i brought the car a year ago for $2650, ive spend like $400 on a insurance approved alarm, $80 bux on springs to lower it, $150 to install them, then like $500 on sounds, $600 on wheels and now going to spend around $1500 on a replacment engine, so fuck it im not selling it, quad carbs tuned to the max here i come! was at kevins today and fully cleaned out the engine bay and gearbox etc so its looking spotless! engine should arrive today, bloody truck broke down that was bringing it down from waikato so another few days delay, when new engine arives i will give that a nice clean also and everything will be spotless, also thinking if i should put an electric fuel pump in and a fuel pressure regulator in now since the engines out and it will be easier for kevin to do, what do u think guys?

[Ped Rac3r]

There is no real need for an electic fuel pump if your mechanical pump is fine. But if you do head down that way, make sure the pump is for use with carbs and not fuel injected, otherwise you'll have fuel leaking out of the carbs (like what dooOT! dooOT! said). Most carb fuel pumps are about 1-5psi, and a fuel injected one would be in the 30psi range.

[JohN256]

all good, for now ill stick with the mechanical pump, it works perfectly, later on in the future if i need it i will put that gear in cheers

[Green Machine]

Just woundering... How much do you know mechanically? Can you actually do much yourself? Because you stated that you had to pay for someone to install
lowering springs for you. Also you cant do an engine swap yourself which is a piece of piss if your swapping over the same engines.
If you have to get a mechanic to do everything this build is going to cost you wayyyyyy more than your budget....

[JohN256]

well, the thing is i dont have a garage at home so doing anything here is impossible, my brother had a garage and thats wher we would of done the turbo conversion, but since i changed my mind i will do a quad carb setup and then go from there.

[VTAKYO]

Man, there have been a few of us on here who have been in the exact position as you. Had carbies, fallen in love with them... but, take a ride in a DOHC VTEC car with basic mods and you are making a lot more power, and a fuckload more reliably. My carby was nothing but trouble after I started working it, and it is still causing trouble for the new owner (my little brother). I had top carby specialists take a look at them, but they just couldn't do anything to make it run better. They are economy cars, lower spec models. Not meant to be toyed with.

Upto you man... at the end of the day it'll still be a 1500 sohc that will be less reliable, and a LOT less economical than a B16A or B18C, and more than likely a lot less powerful.

[JohN256]

yes you are correct, thats why i have decided to rip the crappy honda carbs off and get some nice delardo carbs or some webers

btw vtkayo its a 1600cc not a 1500cc :p

[Bananaman]

No offence but do you have an fu#@@n idea how much it is going to cost you to piss around with a $2.5k car to get any decent results?

Carbs alone are going to take up your entire budget.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-121502031.htm

^^^^ at least that guy is selling them to go fuel injected.

[JohN256]

ive just spoken to murray over the phone, a guy with 30 years of carb expirence, had a long talk with him, he said that there are quad carb manifolds for my honda that he can get from south africa or america, he said the manifold will cost between $300 - $400 bux, but this is a profesional quad carb intake manifold and he said that he can get me a set of quad carbs for around $1000, im happy with that, he said once tuned my engine can make %25 more power than the same model which is injected, so that means if a SOCH zc EFI makes 120hp my car tunes with quad carbs should make more than 150hp, and have lots of torque also, so u know what, no offense but screw efi im going quad carbs all the way, im going to work hard save money and do a professional quad carb setup that will make my car fly!

[VTAKYO]

Pricing doesn't seem too bad. But, thats 150hp at the fly... A B16A makes 160hp at the fly and will use a fraction of the fuel, and leave more room for improvement.

But, ah well, I guess this will be an interesting project to see the result of. Top if off with a lumpy cam and should be something a bit different.

[JohN256]

ill be pretty happy to have a 150hp dual carbed honda tbh, a lumpy cam would probably give it another 10hp or so , i allready have rps headers, once i have more money ill do a full exhaust also, and after that or before doing quad carb setup ill put in an MSD ignition system, im shure this thing after all those mods will put out around 160hp atw, also im shure that a soch zc dual carb weights much less than a twincam b16a so power to weight should be better

well from the looks of it the manifold will be my first thing on the list of things to get murray will give me a call back on monday and tell me wether he can get me a manifold or maybe well end up making a custom one here

[chris_P]

if you do a full exhaust u may aswel srap those headers n go for a TRR set or something

[turbozxi]

Originally Posted by JohN256

ill be pretty happy to have a 150hp dual carbed honda tbh, a lumpy cam would probably give it another 10hp or so , i allready have rps headers, once i have more money ill do a full exhaust also, and after that or before doing quad carb setup ill put in an MSD ignition system, im shure this thing after all those mods will put out around 160hp atw, also im shure that a soch zc dual carb weights much less than a twincam b16a so power to weight should be better

well from the looks of it the manifold will be my first thing on the list of things to get murray will give me a call back on monday and tell me wether he can get me a manifold or maybe well end up making a custom one here

Haha dude no way, not sure if the carb'd hondas are even 9.1:1 compression ratio maybe 8.5:1. Get 120whp if lucky. MSD = no gain, RPS headers comnbined with a full exhaust and tuning should net 10hp at least so lets say maybe 20hp if lucky. If your going to get a cam assume another 10hp then you would be wise to tune it at the same time... So may be you could get around 140hp at the crank. EIther way the cost will get up there and you still will not compete with a DA6 in anyway. Don't look at this as bashing its the last I will say but don't waste your money.



Edit good reference between the models here.
http://asia.vtec.net/specs/daintegra/